Breeding con la Calabrese Rossa

[S.Marlow]

Hey, some of the points you're making are interesting and in general I'm following this thread as the first experiences with cannabis as a teen I had in Calabria with what they called "erba rossa",.
But there's a lot of false facts and weird interpretations there you dropped.

Red weed was Calabrese version of "brick weed". It was grown in fields, most of the times males and herms would not be killed so the crop was always seeded. Dried like shit.
it was not some connoisseur's special local product like cannoli siciliani or Lemons from Amalfi. It couldn't be, because it was illegal, so people risked to grow it only to sell it on the black market. When this happens, quality is not a priority. I believe during prohibition there was some SHIIIITTY tasting alcohol around in the states.
But taste and high were interesting, and the genetic seemed to be somewhat "original" to the land it was grown in, adapted to climate over decades. Or, better,
that's the legend and the mistery we're trying to unveil.

the fact that in Italy you find more cannabis and related stuff that makes you sleep, depends on the fact that is better suited for the cocaine market, cannabis related products are seen as a way to go to sleep after doing lots of coke in Italy, is a culture that is disgusting.

this point you're making about Italians using cannabis to go to sleep after they took lots of coke is a very, very weird generalization.

Cocaine consumption and glorification is a problem in the whole world.
I grew up in the south of the country, lived a bit everywhere and now living in north of Europe.
In every place I've been I've found for sure people using mainly cocaine and puffing weed only at the end to calm down, considering weed stuff for teenagers and coke something that make them go and feel included and active and grown ups.
And that's the CLASSIC delusional mentality of coke heads all over the world.

They started replacing sativas with faster flowering hybrids\indicas or auto flowering varieties from holland to get more harvests per year.
More sleepy and stoned effect is a consequence, not a marketing choice made by the mafia to please cocaine users.
And, again, this is happening everywhere, even in places with longer and more established\accepted history of cannabis.

I mean, even in legal markets in USA and Canada the priority is given to fast flowering varieties they're dominating the market, am I wrong?
If the goal is produce weed to make money than that's the result. if the goal is to promote cannabis culture than it is another story (but that's not)

I heard people talking about cocaine like is no big deal in Italy, that is safer then cannabis and that are cannabis user the problems not the cocaine addicts. Usually mafia bosses brags that they do not use drugs, but the sell it that is far worst.
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Sounds like you've been around a lot of weird 17 years old maranza coke heads on one hand and lots of old ignorant fascists on the other hand.
I know, the country is full of them but that's a limited sample of population.
I never heard people believing or also just stating that cocaine is "safer" then cannabis in 20 years I lived there...And I've been around some weeeeeird folks with some controversial opinions..

In Italy if you buy your drugs daily, going to you local pusher, not matter what drug, is not a crime, really, just get your daily dose of coke with no problem, but try to grow a plant of cannabis and the prison sentence is the same of one a pedophile gets in Italy. How is it possible that in Italy lots of people glorify pushers?

this whole bit doesn't make sense to me.

The laws changed many times, period between 2005-2014 being the worse with the "fini giovanardi" law, that was eliminating any legal difference between "heavy" and "light"drugs..
and it's true, something like a third of people in prison for drugs were related to cannabis cultivation or possession...but the pedophile comparison... I get it that you're joking\exaggerating to prove a point, but it's very misleading and misrepresenting reality..

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It is thanks especially to the mafia from Sicily that weed disappear and cheap cocaine appeared in the street and parks, at least in the north, it was possible to buy a sacket of white powder for the equivalent of 25 euros in 5 minutes, but weed and derivatives where nowhere to be seen or people had to wait days and get whatever it arrived with no choices. Those people, that in the north east where represented by the "Mala of Brenta", with the infame Felicetto Maniero as the boss are the same people that now keep pushing for weed to stay illegal.

Cocaine is easier and more profitable to deal with, occupies less space and costs 10x more. That's why it's more convenient for any drug dealer all over the world to carry coke instead of bags of weed. Don't know why you say it's "especially" Sicilian mafia fault if you can't find good weed in a park in Padova or Varese. It's just what it is.
I could always find weed where mafia was selling drugs, "piazze" di spaccio in scampia or Palermo. And it wasn't that shitty Albanian weed you get in the north, which is not coming from camorra\mafia traffic. It was some other "better" type of shitty weed, more compact rock hard buds most likely sprayed with some shit to dry it faster (rather then improve potency or "create" addiction as many time people said).

NOW, I agree with other things you said. Italy is going backwards and is such a pity and against the trend of other countries.
But what you were picturing here was some hardcore crazy shit.
In some way it is crazy, but your version is much worse lol.

 

[quinxstar]

@S.Marlow

Your point of view is very interesting, thank you for sharing it with us. Personally, I like weed that calms me down and I don't take cocaine and I've never taken it, only THC in my blood.

 

[S.Marlow]

@S.Marlow

Your point of view is very interesting, thank you for sharing it with us. Personally, I like weed that calms me down and I don't take cocaine and I've never taken it, only THC in my blood.

Sure many people like you,
You italian?

 

[quinxstar]

Sure many people like you,
You italian?

no french

 

[Rhizome]

Hi everyone,

Just a quick note to clarify: this thread and all the research around the Calabrese Rossa (also known as La Rossa, Terra-onica or its local variations) are intended purely from a breeding—or more precisely, hacking—perspective.

This has nothing to do with, or in any way supports, the use or discussion of Class A drugs, which do not reflect my personal values or the spirit of this community.

Let’s please keep the focus on the topic, the history, genetics, and breeding aspects of this unique Italian cannabis strain.
Certain Off-topic comments are best avoided so we can keep the discussion productive and relevant.

Thanks for understanding and for keeping the thread on track!

 

[Rhizome]

C’è un filone ancora poco esplorato, ma molto noto e discusso. Si racconta che la Rossa calabrese sia stata portata in Albania e lì coltivata per evitare la proibizione italiana negli anni '90.

La famosa “ammoniacata albanese” avrebbe infatti utilizzato le genetiche della Rossa calabrese come base.
È un’altra storia che mi piacerebbe approfondire e, se qualcuno avesse informazioni da condividere, sarebbero davvero molto apprezzate.

Era terrible quella Erba. Io persi la speranza verso la cannabis per colpa sua. Per quel poco che so, la ’ndrangheta calabrese portò in Albania delle piante (forse della famosa “calabrese rossa”?) da coltivare lì, viste le difficoltà in Aspromonte e in altre zone. Da quelle coltivazioni in Albania nacquero poi Lazarat e un vero e proprio sistema agricolo che, con il tempo, si intrecciò anche con i traffici di cocaina, sempre con l’appoggio della ’ndrangheta.
La cosa che ancora mi dà speranza è che tutte quelle coltivazioni erano fatte da seme e non da talea: questo significa che la riproduzione della specie tramite semi, se davvero fosse così, potrebbe essere continuata per molti anni. Lazarat e l’Albania, infatti, sono andati avanti fino al 2013-2015 indisturbate...
Ma si trova molto poca informazione...

In un forum in ilgm qualcuno descrive la Albanese Cosi:
I don’t know if it’s a landrace or not (i don’t think they buy seeds!).
but you shouldn’t smoke that nasty looking ganja most of the times is full of mold if you inspect it closely.
besides that they grow it outside and the strain it’s pretty nice if you are lucky with a good pheno.
i have done once from a bagie seeds kept the most healthy and it had a sativa structure with super narrow leafs which finished pretty damn fast like end of September (sativas here most of the time are done in middle-late November).
while i had some indicas still going for weeks…
and after 3 months of proper curing it had a intense citrus smell with spices and tropical fruits undertones.
i was so surprised of how good it was compared to 3 other strains i grew from seedbank.

Someone else reply:
Its not landrace if i remember they were brought from Italy but but they look very landrace like
I was looking for the strain too if anyone found something reply pls.


L’ultima traccia, che secondo me ha molte ragioni di essere considerata, riguarda le aree del Mediterraneo: Grecia, Turchia, Libano, Egitto… tutte zone storicamente conosciute anche per la produzione di hashish e quindi per la coltivazione di piante. Per, chi conosce la Calabria e le sue estati torride, sa che “l’erba del diavolo” doveva per forza essere molto resistente alla siccità w al caldo. Questo mi fa pensare a similitudini con la beldia marocchina, ma forse anche altre aree del Mediterraneo presentano varietà simili.

I tried searching across several communities for seeds from Albania but couldn’t find anything—until some growers on OG shared a few articles like this one




Outdoorgrowing
Albania

The police is not really the problem in this part of Europe: With sufficient cash, most problems can be solved relatively easily and quickly. The locals secure their plantations with dogs and other means to protect them from theft. More problematic are the local conditions. The threshold for violence is relatively low, and weapons like AK47s or machine pistols are practically part of the “standard equipment” of a well-stocked household. Locals are mostly very suspicious of strangers. They look at them skeptically, and it’s better not to get lost in the area.

So it is also in our village, from which the photos come. In total, the cannabis plants in this summer - approximately 100 to 1,000 thousand marijuana plants - are expected to yield between 700 and 1,500 grams each. So, a ton or more is quickly produced. The locals themselves consume little, that’s for sure. No one wanted to tell us where the grass goes in detail - or what they get for it.

Albania does not prohibit cannabis cultivation, but in practice it is forbidden. The cannabis cultivation in Albania is famous, and in warm areas, when done well, the plants provide high yields.

Of course, not all plants grow here either, there is damage from pests, but also from drought and cicadas.

The feminized seeds were procured by the villagers from the Netherlands. In the first years, they still drove to Amsterdam for that, but meanwhile they have met Dany from Headshop Visions in Maastricht. Dany has been operating a headshop and also a hemp seed bank, which apparently has not only good genetics but also good contacts. Dany was able to offer discounts. While last year it was about 5,000 seeds of the Super Skunk variety that were bought, the number grew this year to between 50 and 100 thousand - Dany didn’t want to tell us the exact amount. And the seeds are bought by farmers from the area. Moreover, the auto-flowering varieties are particularly high-yielding. With Dany’s seeds, that they can harvest the plants early to then employ them at the opportunity.

This article appears to completely overturn the previous theory. Nevertheless, there are alternative perspectives that could still be considered, particularly if we take into account the article’s timeline and the context of the 1990s

 

[Rhizome]

Parliamo adesso un po’ delle generiche che ho incontrato fino adesso. Non ho coltivato tutto: ogni tanto pianto qualche seme qua e là, giusto per vedere cosa succede e che tipo di pianta emerge.

Rossa del diavolo ACA erba del diavolo ACA red devil? ( I am cureenlty testing it and I have one little plant flowering now indoor and a cut in hydro vege).
- Terronica : this should be the tirrenian strain which legend said should be a very sativa version.
- Calabrese DOC
- Calabria DOP

- Sila Cucurucu or Nana silana (???)
- Terra U'atri ( qualcosa Cosi, ma Suona piu Terraria)...questi trovati Questa estate.

Gli “elfi di Calabria” sono molto simpatici e molto attivi, soprattutto adesso con le leggi contro la cannabis light. Per quanto insistano, non credo che le loro genetiche siano davvero collegate… eppure, dall’Erba del Diavolo ho trovato una femmina molto interessante.

I semi vengono venduti come automatici, femminizzati, a CBD con THC <0,3%. Tuttavia, io ho trovato una fotoperiodica femmina (femminizzata) molto resistente, soprattutto alla mancanza di acqua e nutrienti. Fiorisce velocemente e ha un effetto particolare. Ho tenuto il clone per circa un anno e solo recentemente ho messo in fioritura l’ultima madre. In questo momento sto fumando una canna di Erba del Diavolo mentre scrivo ....

Il clone era davvero interessante e, mentre stavo lavorando alla generatione F1 di un progetto chiamato Shade of Blues, ho pensato di incrociarla con tre maschi di Killer Skunk by UGORG (Blues x Smellyberry). Le Livers/Blues dovrebbero essere un fenotipo di una Skunk originale si dice Skunk #1, ( o Super Skunk o Shiva Skunk (o simili). Così ho pensato: se la Calabrese Rossa è una sorta di proto-Skunk, perché non provare a incrociarla con una old Skunk?

Da lì è nata la Calabresa Blue.

Clone

 

[S.Marlow]

Tra le campagne dell’Aspromonte, dove si coltiva marijuana

Viaggio in Aspromonte, nelle zone più impervie della Calabria dove una pianta di marijuana frutta mille euro

irpimedia.irpi.eu

here they show pictures of some plants they're growing currently (for illegal market ) in Calabria, very interesting. 170 plants operation :\