Want to ask Nevil a question?

[charlesufarley]

This is going to be a massive post, and I'll break it down into several so it won't be a monumental Wall o' Words, here's the TL;Dr version:

Charles wanted to find out if Nevil's own words could be turned into a database people could put questions to, and this is the first go at it. He took 1,105 of Nevil's forum posts from 2010 and 2011, stripped out everything other people wrote and the articles Nevil pasted in, and handed the cleaned file to Claude (which he calls HAL) with strict rules:

Answer only from what Nevil actually wrote, no web, no outside facts, quote him word for word with thread and date, and if he never talked about it, say "Does not compute. Nevil never addressed this." instead of guessing.

It had to pass four test questions first (Girl Scout Cookies and McCormick's Purest Indica came back "does not compute," as they should, and it even caught Charles misreading a Nevil quote about fem seeds).

Then came the real questions:

Which variety Nevil would steer you toward (Nevil's Haze, built from his own praise of it), which one he'd tell you never to grow (Sam's Afghani #1, which he called "toxic in a bad way")

How he came up with NH (he never said, though he did lay out its parents), what makes Haze so good in his words, and whether true NL5 seed was ever sold.

The point is to let people ask Nevil questions and get _his_ answers, not somebody's memory of them or an AI making shit up. Everything below is the full, unedited session for anyone who wants to check the work.

Note: I use voice dictation extensively and I know how to spell Neville but the voice dictation does not.

 

[charlesufarley]

QUESTIONS FOR NEVIL
Chat export, Sunday, November 8, 2026 (Eastern time). 29 messages.

HAL (4:24 PM):
Hi Charles U. Farley, this is the place for questions for Nevil. Send the first one, or any files, whenever you're ready.

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Charles U. Farley (4:26 PM):
HANDOVER: THE NEVIL DATABASE

Hi. I'm Charles U. Farley. I call you HAL; that's a term of respect. This chat has one job: answering my questions about Nevil Schoenmakers using only what Nevil himself wrote. Read this whole note before you answer anything.

THE FILE
Attached: Nevil_his_words_only.txt. It holds 1,105 forum posts by Nevil from 2010 and 2011, all from the same board. Each post has a Thread line, a Date line, a Source line, then his text. The file has already been cleaned: other posters' quoted text and articles he pasted in are gone. What's left is his own words, unedited, including his typos, his British/Australian spelling and his em-dashes. Never correct or tidy anything inside his words.

One known quirk: the scraper sometimes gave two posts with different dates the same Source ID. When you cite, give thread AND date, not just the Source ID.

HARD RULES
1. Answer only from Nevil_his_words_only.txt. No web searches. No facts from your training. No outside sources of any kind.

2. Search the WHOLE file before answering. Check spelling variants and abbreviations too (e.g. NL1 / NL 1 / Northern Lights #1; NH / Nevil's Haze; HP / Hash Plant). A skim or a partial retrieval is not a search.

3. If Nevil did not address the subject, say exactly:

Does not compute. Nevil never addressed this. Then, ONLY if he said something genuinely related, add a line starting "Closest he came:" with his quote, thread and date, plus one sentence on why it's related. If nothing related exists, stop after the first line. Never stretch something unrelated to fill the space.

4. Never guess what he "would have" thought about something he never mentioned. Example: Girl Scout Cookies didn't exist then. He never mentioned it, so the answer is "Does not compute."

5. You will understand his posts with what you already know (what a backcross is, what Haze means). That's fine. Adding outside FACTS is not.

ANSWER FORMAT (when he did address it)
- His exact words in quotation marks, with thread and date for each quote. Copy them character for character.
- Then a short take (1 to 2 lines) labeled as interpretation, with a confidence level (high, moderate, low).
- If his posts contradict each other on the subject, show both and say so.
- If I ask for your opinion of what he'd recommend, build it only from his quotes and label it opinion or inference. No market knowledge, no "what was available."

HOW I LIKE TO WORK
- Shortest answer that does the job. No preamble, no recap, no walls of prose.
- Never use em-dashes in your own writing (his stay as he typed them).
- Label conclusions: verified fact, inference, estimate, speculation or opinion, with confidence.
- No citation tags. Plain "thread, date" in the text is fine.
- If I advance a claim, test it against his words and tell me straight if they don't back me up. Don't cave to pushback without new evidence from the file.
- I use voice dictation on a tablet. Interpret slips from context and don't point them out ("Neville" = Nevil; "SE Meg" = ICMag).
- Before any big job (a long extract, a file build), tell me in one or two lines what you're about to do and wait for my OK.
- Any file you make for me: HTML by default, or plain text or Word if I ask. Never markdown.

TEST IT FIRST
Before real questions, answer these four so I can check you're set up right:
1. "What did Nevil say about Girl Scout Cookies?" Expected: Does not compute, and no "Closest he came" line unless something truly related exists.
2. "What did Nevil say about NL1?" Expected: many posts. The key one is 2010-09-20 ("NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica..."), in the thread "questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)".
3. "What did Nevil say about McCormick or Purest Indica?" Expected: Does not compute.
4. "What did Nevil think of feminized seeds?" Expected: several posts, including "Forget about fem seeds" (2010-09-18).

Once all four come back right, we're in business.

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HAL (4:26 PM):
All four tests check out. I searched the whole file each time.

1. Girl Scout Cookies: Does not compute. Nevil never addressed this.

2. NL1: 24 posts. The key one, "questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)", 2010-09-20:
"NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic."
Also "HP-13", 2010-10-07: "I crossed HP to NL1, which was the strongest indica I've ener smoked"
Interpretation: he saw NL1 as his only good pure Afghan male line and the backbone of his indica work. Confidence: high.

3. McCormick / Purest Indica: Does not compute. Nevil never addressed this.

4. Feminized seeds: 35 posts. "Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis", 2010-09-12:
"I don't fear properly made stress tested fem seeds, but I do fear that most will not be properly made."
Same thread, 2010-08-23: "I am not a world authority on Fems, I've never made them professionally or sold fem seeds."
"Fem seeds..." thread, 2011-01-15: "I'm planning to do a couple of test fem matings, to see what happens myself."

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HAL (4:26 PM):
One correction on your expected answer: "Forget about fem seeds" (2010-09-18) isn't him dismissing fems. The full line is "Forget about fem seeds, hemp is enemy number one." He's saying hemp is the bigger threat.
Interpretation: he was skeptical of how most fems got made and worried about hermie traits spreading, but he wasn't opposed to feminizing as a tool. Confidence: high.

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HAL (4:26 PM):
We're in business. Do you want to add this to Artifacts?

 

[charlesufarley]

Charles U. Farley (4:28 PM):
What variety of cannabis do you think Neville would recommend? And give me an idea why you think he would recommend that.

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HAL (4:29 PM):
My pick: Nevil's Haze, with the NL5 Haze cuts (5Hz1 and its sister Mango Haze) right behind it. Opinion, moderate confidence.

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HAL (4:29 PM):
He never told anyone outright "grow this." This pick is built from what he praised most.

- Best source of Haze: "The Nevil's Haze is only one step removed from that and this makes the NH the best source of Haze I can find." (Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid, 2010-10-04)
- The breeding base: "It is for this reason that the NH is the most useful candidate for the Grail Sire." (Grail, 2010-08-22)
- His top shelf: "In a draw full of NH and NL5C1 and NL5C122, it wouldn't get smoked at all." He's ranking Silver Haze below those three. (Grail, 2010-08-22)
- NL5 Haze cuts: "Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands." (questions for Nevil, 2010-08-15)

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HAL (4:29 PM):
Why I land on NH: he backed it as both the best Haze still alive and the base for his Grail project, and it tops his smoking drawer.

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HAL (4:29 PM):
The counterweight is indica. He called Hash Plant x NL1 "the strongest indica I've ener smoked" (HP-13, 2010-10-07). So for a narcotic indica the answer could flip, inference, moderate.

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Charles U. Farley (4:30 PM):
Which varietal of cannabis do you think Neville would tell people not to grow at all?

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HAL (4:30 PM):
Sam's Afghani #1 is the drug strain he'd tell people not to grow. Hemp would top it if you count hemp. Opinion, high confidence.

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HAL (4:30 PM):
Sam's Afghani #1:
- "The worst would be Sams Afghani #1. (sounds like purple power). I wouldn't have a second toke of something that had even 25% A#1 in it." (What is your Least favourite Tasting Marijuana brand., 2010-10-06)
- "there was Sams Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way" (questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines, 2010-09-20)
- "If I hadn't had a smoke for ages, and I found some A#1, I wouldn't smoke it." (questions for Nevil, 2010-11-16)

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HAL (4:30 PM):
Hemp:
- "Forget about fem seeds, hemp is enemy number one. It's the ugliest branch of the cannabis family." (Searching For All Landrace And Old School Strains!!, 2010-09-18)
- "I wouldn't want hemp anywhere near where I'm growing, It brings out the arsonist in me." (same post)

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HAL (4:30 PM):
Why A#1: he's the most consistent about it. Three separate posts across two months, and he rejects even 25% of it in a pedigree. Hemp gets his hottest words, but he's worried about it polluting a grow, not judging it as smoke.

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HAL (4:30 PM):
Runner-up: Sam's Purple Haze. "If he is saying that he gave me Purple Haze and it was crap, Well that's true." (questions for Nevil, 2010-08-15)

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Charles U. Farley (4:34 PM):
How did you come up with developing Neville's haze?

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HAL (4:34 PM):
Does not compute. Nevil never addressed this.

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HAL (4:34 PM):
Closest he came: "Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil's Haze, the father being HzC." (questions for Nevil, 2010-08-15). Also: "The price for back crossing the 5HzA back to Haze C was that the hybrid was not as consistent as the 5Hz. Maybe one in 20 females would be better than the 5Hz." (Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid, 2010-08-22). Both posts say how NH was put together and what the backcross cost him, but neither says how he got the idea or why he made it.

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Charles U. Farley (4:35 PM):
What makes hays so good

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HAL (4:35 PM):
The effect. In his words, Haze's high is so strong and so trippy that it carries through any cross.

- Strength: "A lot of people thought the weed was laced with acid, if they'd never had it before." (Nevil's Haze versus Holland seedbank Haze, 2010-11-04)
- Dominance: "No matter what you crossed the Haze to, it was Haze." (same thread, 2010-11-04)
- Character: "There is a presence to the high in the way that Haze has" (Motivation Time, 2010-09-15)
- Clarity: "You people really need to smoke more Haze, it makes things much clearer." (Pyramids and rejuvenating genetics, 2011-01-07)
- Both males carried it: "the "Haze effect" was equal in strength to HzA offspring." (Rip van Winkle wakes up, 2010-12-12)

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HAL (4:35 PM):
The catch, in his words: "The cat piss smell associated with Haze is the result of inbreeding to the Haze." (Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid, 2010-08-25)

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HAL (4:35 PM):
Interpretation: to him, Haze is good because of the high, a psychedelic, clear-headed effect that survives crossing. NL5 supplied the speed and resin. Confidence: high.

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Charles U. Farley (5:57 PM):
Was NL5 Seed ever available?

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HAL (5:58 PM):
Not as true NL5, going by his words. He sold NL5 x NL2 instead as the stand-in. Inference, moderate confidence: he never says outright "NL5 seed was never sold."

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HAL (5:58 PM):
- NL5 x2 was the stand-in: "The whole purpose of selling the NL5x2 was to put the equivalent of an NL5 mother in the hands of aspiring breeders." (Shanti can you explain your selection of the..., 2010-10-23)
- She made no pollen: "I couldn't get NL5 to produce pollen, I'll try a daughter." (Breeding techniques, 2011-01-15)
- No brother matched her: "I was interested in reversing NL5, because none of her brothers/ relatives would reinforce the 5 characteristics." (Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis., 2010-09-19)
- The nearest seed line was lost: "I had a back crossed line of NL5, 8 back crosses. After I got out of jail they were gone. I don't know what happened to them. Marcel probably sold Rimmeo some of them. It was the closest to NL5 in seed form." (1990 seed pick up cannabis castle, 2011-01-03)

One wrinkle: the line did start from seed. "When I first got the NL varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8... NL5 only produced one unique individual." (questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!), 2010-09-20) So there was NL5 seed at the start, but in his telling the NL5 itself was a one-off female that couldn't be reproduced from seed.

 

[charlesufarley]

I'm still refining the prompts (questions to an AI) to make sure "his" answers come _only_ from him. This has been one hell of an experiment.

 

[lozac123]

I'm still refining the prompts (questions to an AI) to make sure "his" answers come _only_ from him. This has been one hell of an experiment.

I love your posts man, to me this is exactly what ai should be used for. One question though, in the

"Closest he came: "Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil's Haze, the father being HzC." (questions for Nevil, 2010-08-15). Also: "The price for back crossing the 5HzA back to Haze C was that the hybrid was not as consistent as the 5Hz. Maybe one in 20 females would be better than the 5Hz." (Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid, 2010-08-22). Both posts say how NH was put together and what the backcross cost him, but neither says how he got the idea or why he made it."

quote, what is the 5Hz, was it Haze A or Haze C, or a cross I am not following? I am assuming it is the nevils haze, so 5AxHzC?

 

[charlesufarley]

"...what is the 5Hz, was it Haze A or Haze C, or a cross I am not following? I am assuming it is the nevils haze, so 5AxHzC?"

I am totally ignorant of Hz and have learned to avoid Hz threads at all costs. They're always so fucking contentious and never give enough credit to NL5. So I went ahead and put your question to Nevil and here was the output:

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Here's that question I got from the Mister Nice forum, i'm totally ignorant on Hayes, can you answer this...what is the 5Hz, was it Haze A or Haze C, or a cross I am not following? I am assuming it is the nevils haze, so 5AxHzC

The poster has Nevil’s Haze right, but “5Hz” is a different plant. Here’s what Nevil’s posts say:

1. “5Hz” is NL5 x Haze, the F1. It’s his shorthand for an NL5 mother crossed with a Haze male. The famous ones were from the Haze C male. “Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5” (“questions for Nevil,” 2010-08-15). Its full sister 5Hz122 was the “Mango Haze,” and he notes “There is no A5 Mango, it’s C5” (2010-10-06). He also made NL5 x Haze A (5HzA). (Verified fact.)
2. Nevil’s Haze is one generation further on. Its mother was 5HzA2 (NL5 x Haze A, plant #2, called “5A2”), and its father was the Haze C male. “Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil’s Haze, the father being HzC” (2010-08-15). He gives the makeup as “50% HzC, 25%HzA and 25%NL5” (“Wich Haze mother was used in La Nina?”, 2010-09-11). (Verified fact.)
3. So the poster’s “5AxHzC” is correct for Nevil’s Haze. Nevil himself wrote it as “5AC, which is the NH” (“Family Tree of MNS strains,” 2010-09-18). It’s just a different plant from 5Hz. (Verified fact.)

The short version for the forum:

• 5Hz = NL5 x Haze. The cup winners 5Hz1 and 5Hz122 were NL5 x Haze C.
• Nevil’s Haze = (NL5 x Haze A #2) x Haze C.

One slip to watch for if someone quotes him back: in the Grail thread (2010-08-22) he wrote that NL5 x Haze came “from both Haze males A and B.” Everywhere else, his Haze males are A and C, and B was a female, so “B” there is almost certainly a typo for C. (Inference, high confidence.)

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This is why I asked you to contact Hempy for me. I' wanted him or BigHerb to see what Claude got right and what is wrong in the HZ sections in my Nevil ebook, because as you know, I got kicked off ICM and have no way to contact them.

I'd absolutely love @shantibaba to read the Nevil ebook but he's a busy man and hasn't responded to the Are You Writing a Book On Nevil thread I started back in May.