Developing a Strain Database

[british_hempire]

Right, here is how far I've got with compiling a list of strains bred by Nevil and Shanti.

I'd love it if folks can help me fill in the blanks such as what the precise lineages are of G13Widow and G13Skunk, I take it Shanti used a mother other than the original G13 so it must be from one of the G13 hybrids Nevil made, but which one?

I don't know the lineages of most of the Sensi Seeds stuff, Nev can help fill these in I hope. (hint hint! lol)

What is Sensi's Hindu Kush? Is it Northern Lights #2? Would that make Master Kush a derivative of NL#2 ?

Also, what is the exact lineage of Critical Mass? Shanti lists it as Afghani x Skunk (Big Bud) but the original Big Bud was an Afghani cutting and the Big Bud seeds were Big Bud x (Big Bud x NL#1) so is critical Mass the original Big Bud cutting crossed to Skunk? Does that mean it's the same thing as the old Seedbank Big Skunk?

Sorry for all the questions but I want to make sure we make this as accurate as possible. these lineages have to be as precise as possible so that when we put all this info into a database the correct interrelationships between the breeds are in the data otherwise we won't be able to generate accurate pedigrees from it and that defeats the whole object of this project.

Nev, I really admire your desire to do this as it requires total openness and honesty on the part of the breeder and most breeders wouldn't entertain the idea.

Perhaps after we have finished this project we can expand it to include a lot of other know strains and cuttings in order to record how they relate to your work, this would be useful for you in determining what comes from your work and what doesn't then you know what is worth looking at and what isn't cos you already know it.

I'm sure I've missed out a few of the strains Shanti bred for Greenhouse but I don't have any old catalogues of theirs, is Alaskan Ice one of Shanti's I've not included it cos I didn't know.

 

[L33t]

hi bh

nice work mate

G13 SK is basically G13xSk#1 X SK#1. Shanti mentioned that an old Skunk line was used in this one.
The plants I grew were very hazy.

G13Widow is G13xSk#1 X Widow. The Widow male is the same as in Shark Shock , LN etc

 

[british_hempire]

hi bh

nice work mate

G13 SK is basically G13xSk#1 X SK#1. Shanti mentioned that an old Skunk line was used in this one.
The plants I grew were very hazy.

G13Widow is G13xSk#1 X Widow. The Widow male is the same as in Shark Shock , LN etc

Wicked, I knew you had posted about the G13 before but I was too lazy to go hunting for the post so thanks for chiming in, I hope ya would. I know you are a Mr Nice era expert so would you mind running your eye over the Mr Nice stuff and seeing if i missed any or made any errors, I much appreciate it!

Interesting that your G13Skunk was very hazy, knowing you your have pics and a report, care to link me?

 

[british_hempire]

I've rearranged it into alphabetical order which made me notice several duplicates and mistakes so I've made a load of corrections and filled in some more blanks. I've also split it into three pictures because I realised how hard it was to read that last pic.

 

[L33t]

hi bh

I didn't make a thread with my G13SK grow here yet but will post tommorow some pics for you to see. There were some really hazy plants..I even had to cull a female as it took over 1sq meter by herself and that was 10/14 from seed flowering in 3 liter pots under 600s.. Others mentioned same thing , slow flowering haze like plants with this line. But nice and potent smoke and frosty plants.

With a quick glance I noticed that NH pedigree is wrong in the list , correct pedigree is actually NL5 Haze'A' 2 x Haze C male .

Jack Herrer was produced 1994 or earlier , not 95 , as it won the 94 cup :Cannabis Cup Winners - 1994 Cannabis Cup

The seeds the original cutting came from were produced prior to '90 according to Nevil's post:
"The JH came out of a batch that made before ending up in jail. My ex manager grew this batch out when I was in jail or shortly after I got out (so he told me). It was a stand out indica type reminisent of the NL5. It was quick too, 8 weeks. Most of the siblings were stretchy sativa types. I tested the same batch again, but didn't find another one. If you do the numbers with something with even 25% NL5, you will find types that lean to the NL5. This was one. They pop up in the NH too, but until now they haven't been the best ones.
N. "
from:http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/66834-post85.html


"Either Sensi directors authorised the release of the plant produced from a mating I had made prior to ending up in jail in 1990, or a person in a position of trust made private arrangements. The mating was NL5xHzC X SK1xHzC.
Sensi won a cup with this cutting. It was called "Jack Herer". The J.H. line of seeds had this plant as a mother.
Green House also won with this plant at the Cups. It was called Super Silver Haze. As GH never had this cutting, who knows what they are calling SSH.
.."
from:http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/61673-post16.html

The original JH cutting that won the '94 cup was same thing as SSH , NL5HzC x SKHzC, so you can list SSH as 'AKA' : JH.

I 'll have a look again and see what other things i can add

EDIT: I forgot to add the G13xHaze

 

[british_hempire]

Cheers l33t, I've amended those details.

G13 x Haze? Was that one in the 89 catalogue? I still haven't found the 89 one yet so might have missed some strains that were in that one.

Look forward to seeing the G13Skunk, sounds wierd.

 

[southpaw]

Excellent work BH. I wish I could contribute but since I can't, the least I could do is give you props on this undertaking. Keep up the good work.

sp

 

[british_hempire]

Cheers man, this will hopefully be a useful tool eventually.

 

[Scorpion]

hi bh

nice work mate

G13 SK is basically G13xSk#1 X SK#1. Shanti mentioned that an old Skunk line was used in this one.
The plants I grew were very hazy.

G13Widow is G13xSk#1 X Widow. The Widow male is the same as in Shark Shock , LN etc

hi l33t,
one more to add...
the G13 x WW is the g13 clone pollenated with shanti's Widow male,
hence No skunk in it.
some of these are out there.

The g13skunk female I had "B clone it was called" was very hazy and thin,I would say it would pass off more like a skunkhaze than a g13skunk,just my opinon on that plant I had.

s

 

[L33t]

hi Scorpion

I do not think there is any G13xWW. What Shanti took from Nevil was G13xSK1 seeds , these were then bred by him to SK1 male and the widow male. Thats what Shanti has posted here:


-HI GUYS AND HI SHANTI,,,,,
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR G13 USED IN THE G13XWIDOW.....


-"Hi all

the G13 was crossed to the male skunk as the g13 was in clone female form with Nev for a long time. When I carried on the work from Nev it was already a 50:50 G13 female :skunk male.

Hope that helps sort it out for you.All the best Shantibaba "

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=880764&highlight=G13#post880764

 

[british_hempire]

From shanti's own lips, cheers l33t. I'm glad folks are taking the time to iron out these little details, it's crucial to the success of this project that we get it accurate.

 

[Scorpion]

hi Scorpion

I do not think there is any G13xWW. What Shanti took from Nevil was G13xSK1 seeds , these were then bred by him to SK1 male and the widow male. Thats what Shanti had posted.

well ,you are mistaken.
if I can find it I will post the quotes,
The g13clone was pollinated with both Shantibaba's Skunk and Shantibaba's Widow...I am certain of it.
I have the g13ww in seed from several ago....it is a strain that breeds very well to AfghanT x HazeC.
I have five f2 g13ww females now laden with Skunk seed.
.
scorpion

 

[L33t]

wtf Scorp?

I just said that. I said the G13WW sold by shanti were G13xSK1 X Widow male. The G13SK sold are G13SK1 x SK1 .
please read the thread I linked

 

[Scorpion]

to clarify before you all confuse yourselves...
MNS g13skunk is
[g13clone x skunk1] X same skunk1
g13 widow is
g13skunk X Widow male
G13WW is
g13clone x widow male ...no skunk

I for sure on this.

 

[L33t]

ok now I get it..there is also an extra one then , sorry mate took me a while to figure that as its the first time I hear about something like that..

Do you know when shanti made these?

thanks for the clarification Scorpion

 

[Scorpion]

wtf Scorp?

I just said that. I said the G13WW sold by shanti were G13xSK1 X Widow male. The G13SK sold are G13SK1 x SK1 .
please read the thread I linked

G13ww was never sold...it was a gift to a few.
G13widow is sold under MNS since Nevil bred the G13ww with shanti pollen and Shanti bred the G13widow with nevils seeds and his own pollen.
understand now?

 

[Scorpion]

g13Widow is a 25% g13 hybrid
and
G13WW is half G13 at 50%

 

[british_hempire]

Hang on, where do you get the idea there are two strains, one with G13Skunk x Widow and the other with G13 x Widow? The latter is not in my list, never heard of it.

The G13 clone died before shanti started making his hybrids so he used a selected mother from the G13 x Skunk cross that Nev made and never released, shanti has said this himself hasn't he?

 

[british_hempire]

If the G13 x Widow was only given out to a select few and not used in any other breeds then we don't need to include it, do we?

I think I'll wait until shanti can clarify this before making any changes.

 

[L33t]

yes Scorpion I understand
you know well we 've both been wrong regarding pedigrees before, so I would prefer if you could find the quotes and post them..