Cabron
Banned
That is some funny shit!!
Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis.
That is some funny shit!!
Nevil
Breeder
I've been smoking a selfed plant. A Mango Haze S1. Hempy bred it and grew it.
It's probably the best Haze I've smoked in Australia. If you told me it was an F1 NH, I would have believed it. It's a Hz C dominant pheno with no cat piss. It's not as good as the very best F1 NH, but close. Apparently the yield sucked, but when I was smoking it, I didn't notice a thing. If I had any criticism, it would be that the Indica in it (NL5) drains your energy a bit. A small price to pay for a full on Haze.
After a few tokes and you feel your brain switching on both hemispheres at once.
Yield and vigour seem to be the issues.
Someone posted a picture of a heavy yielding plant Chimera made. Can some one find that for me? I'm wondering if he used a fem tek to make it.
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It's probably the best Haze I've smoked in Australia. If you told me it was an F1 NH, I would have believed it. It's a Hz C dominant pheno with no cat piss. It's not as good as the very best F1 NH, but close. Apparently the yield sucked, but when I was smoking it, I didn't notice a thing. If I had any criticism, it would be that the Indica in it (NL5) drains your energy a bit. A small price to pay for a full on Haze.
After a few tokes and you feel your brain switching on both hemispheres at once.
Yield and vigour seem to be the issues.
Someone posted a picture of a heavy yielding plant Chimera made. Can some one find that for me? I'm wondering if he used a fem tek to make it.
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british_hempire
Guest
The feminised seeds I've grown all had those issues too, quality of end product was good but the yield and vigour suffered. I grow mostly F1 hybrids as I like plants to have as much vigour as possible, never seen a plant from feminised seed that had decent vigour yet.
GreenintheThumb
New member
It's doubtful. Chimera has maintained all his lines in both traditional and gynoecious form for a few years now but none of his commercially available offerings are fem.
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Azra'eil
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GreenintheThumb
New member
You can make gynoecious outcrosses as easily as you can incross....my suggestion would be to stop buying crappy seeds and not to blame it on feminization.
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JessE
Guest
Hi all,
The feminization trend that is widely popular in todays cannabis market is definitely a money maker for those companies who push this product to the general public. The idea behind the marketing pitch is all based off the sensimelia product which has long been the most sought after commidity in the underground market. So by attaching their marketing scheme to a methodology such as producing seed less cannabis, its easy to see how this ideal has caught on.
Who among us doubts these companies who are banking on the feminization trend are not online, at forums just like this one, further clouding the field of play with consumers by spreading misinformation and attempting to take the subjects off topic whenever things start to hit a little too close to home all in an effort to protect their investment? Many of todays more popular small breeders are individuals who have transcended the online forums, posters just like you or I, into marketing machines who now label themselves "seed breeders." So they were already online, at the forums, before they were pitching products and its no doubt they are still here, participating in threads just like this one in an effort to protect their money making machine.
But I do think the trend is coming to an end, largely due to threads of a similar nature both elsewhere and here, where the majority of hard core users get a chance to see an un-moderated/censored version of opinions as opposed to the opinions offered at sites such as Icmag.com, who stand to benefit directly from nearly all sales generated from the topic. And with those hard core users, will come a more stream lined, educated point of view which will ultimate pervade the forums ultimate direction both here and elsewhere. So its good to see threads of this nature, as points of view from all sides can be layed out for all to see.
For those of us who would like to see the plant move forward, in as safe of a direction as possible this topic is immensely important and may well explain the passionate positions taken by some. There is clearly a money factor which motivates the other side of the fence, but do these same individuals have the same kind of regard for the plant and the future as others, or are they blinded by dollar signs $$$$$$?
The feminization trend that is widely popular in todays cannabis market is definitely a money maker for those companies who push this product to the general public. The idea behind the marketing pitch is all based off the sensimelia product which has long been the most sought after commidity in the underground market. So by attaching their marketing scheme to a methodology such as producing seed less cannabis, its easy to see how this ideal has caught on.
Who among us doubts these companies who are banking on the feminization trend are not online, at forums just like this one, further clouding the field of play with consumers by spreading misinformation and attempting to take the subjects off topic whenever things start to hit a little too close to home all in an effort to protect their investment? Many of todays more popular small breeders are individuals who have transcended the online forums, posters just like you or I, into marketing machines who now label themselves "seed breeders." So they were already online, at the forums, before they were pitching products and its no doubt they are still here, participating in threads just like this one in an effort to protect their money making machine.
But I do think the trend is coming to an end, largely due to threads of a similar nature both elsewhere and here, where the majority of hard core users get a chance to see an un-moderated/censored version of opinions as opposed to the opinions offered at sites such as Icmag.com, who stand to benefit directly from nearly all sales generated from the topic. And with those hard core users, will come a more stream lined, educated point of view which will ultimate pervade the forums ultimate direction both here and elsewhere. So its good to see threads of this nature, as points of view from all sides can be layed out for all to see.
For those of us who would like to see the plant move forward, in as safe of a direction as possible this topic is immensely important and may well explain the passionate positions taken by some. There is clearly a money factor which motivates the other side of the fence, but do these same individuals have the same kind of regard for the plant and the future as others, or are they blinded by dollar signs $$$$$$?
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british_hempire
Guest
More than half the fems I've grown were not commercial seeds. I have definitely noticed less vigour in fems, although I've only grown about 50 of them, maybe 10 different strains.
MasterTrooper
New member
I think here we have a nice platform to work with This www.mrnice.nl/forum
And For the one how say what the other should tell or not serve nothing!
Internet the tool we have (This web site/forum) it serve us to bring more people to Mr. Nice as we type we get more word, more Cannabis strain word, it only more subject in the database that serve this web site referencing for the search engine like google and the other, at the end of the days it all good!
Because the web we built get bigger and bigger!
It like when you're going to the mess you just do it because your mind tell you it the right thing to do! Mr Nice it now my religion! before I did not have one!
It like the 4 dimension of seeds it hard to find but when you find it you know you did!
Kept the good work! I send you all the best vibe you can imagine possible!
Ps. I think that breeder or amateur breeder use too much abbreviation this maybe better to type full strain mane so they serve the database of mrnice.nl
when they arrive we see then for miles away!!!
They don't see us we are in the 4 dimension!
I need more haze I start to make sense! what the...
MT
And For the one how say what the other should tell or not serve nothing!
Internet the tool we have (This web site/forum) it serve us to bring more people to Mr. Nice as we type we get more word, more Cannabis strain word, it only more subject in the database that serve this web site referencing for the search engine like google and the other, at the end of the days it all good!
Because the web we built get bigger and bigger!
It like when you're going to the mess you just do it because your mind tell you it the right thing to do! Mr Nice it now my religion! before I did not have one!
It like the 4 dimension of seeds it hard to find but when you find it you know you did!
Kept the good work! I send you all the best vibe you can imagine possible!
Ps. I think that breeder or amateur breeder use too much abbreviation this maybe better to type full strain mane so they serve the database of mrnice.nl
when they arrive we see then for miles away!!!
They don't see us we are in the 4 dimension! I need more haze I start to make sense! what the...
MT
MasterTrooper
New member
Kept the good work BH, I see some fem seed lover Jumping all around!
I was going to say something that will make me look intelligent I forget!
Take care bro!
MT
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hempy
Guest
hiya Neville i have seen pure sativas not often but some early into flower produce a single seed with no polination and relised years ago that cannabis had a preservation triga in built wich i would love to understand more.
There was 1 s1 mh that i ran flowed faster than the rest had the same exact high and i left her for weeks after she matured to see if she would throw any pollen nothing so all i know is there a lot more going on at a genetic level than i or most if any at all know other than the plant.
I seldem grow things from s1 seed only a few in my years but they need to be real good to do so i was given a very old clone line that was taken from over seas 30 years or so brang hear and dont know to much more about it very od line indoors grows fast 8 weeks max flower 3 to 4 oz max but is very potent long lasting affect yet out doors grows like a pure tropical sativa.
Any way after the 4 or so run of it late in flower hermied on me i collected the seed and thort i will keep these and give them out for bush cussin wanted them so gave him them as he loved this smoke he grew them out and told me tjhey grew into trees taller than his farm house he told me he found between 5 to 20 seeds on a huge out door tree now that to me is no big deal and reson to cull a strain.
I got seed from him that was left thort to germ a few and i found only male a fem made seed past some on back to him and i keepet some for my self.
But with the mh s1 i saw massive loss of vigor as have many others in the fem seeds and the od thing i felt was why dont people selling them even growing them bring this point up.
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gobshite
Guest
reason being most just self a plant.. they are not breeding properly, like chimera said earlier its highly doubtful anyone is breeding a line in the right manner for a gynoecious release. again like with M/F breeding its in the numbers theres no short cut. I think this has even been addressed in this thread ie vigour.
but on the subject of hackers and those in it for $$$$ regardless of people doing this by selfing plants or a reg M/F hackfest the outcome is the same - inferior seedlots.
Kopite
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hempy
Guest
rimmeo
Banned
fem seed
does anyone no what the proceedure is for making fem seeds and what is used now for producing male flowers on the female flower. ive heard thing about gerliberlic acid but how is it done do you spray it on the flower? ive just never heard the full procedure can anyone explain in detail how its done
does anyone no what the proceedure is for making fem seeds and what is used now for producing male flowers on the female flower. ive heard thing about gerliberlic acid but how is it done do you spray it on the flower? ive just never heard the full procedure can anyone explain in detail how its done
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Donald Mallard
Guest
hi hempy ,, how do u figure you got seed from that plant without pollenation??
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it sounds like your saying one batch of s1 didnt perform but other s youve grown have is that correct there ??
also it sounds like you are in fact doing what youve said is poor practise ,, giving seeds that you know are intersexed to other growers ??
i respect your long stance on this forum hempy ,, but id really love you to read how contradictory some of your statements are or at least come across ..
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Kangativa
Guest
Hi Donald.....Lol I think you better read it a bit more closely before you upset him.
He didnt hand it out to growers, his cousin asked for it because he liked the smoke.
The MH is what Nev is smoking at the moment and the only thing that was wrong with it was vigour and yield, something Hempy thinks sellers of fem seeds should let people know that it could be a problem.
This was all accidental, but it could have just been the thing that Nev is looking for, coz this MH has no catpiss to it.
He didnt hand it out to growers, his cousin asked for it because he liked the smoke.
The MH is what Nev is smoking at the moment and the only thing that was wrong with it was vigour and yield, something Hempy thinks sellers of fem seeds should let people know that it could be a problem.
This was all accidental, but it could have just been the thing that Nev is looking for, coz this MH has no catpiss to it.
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Donald Mallard
Guest
hi kanga ,, yep noticed that ,, but still i figured his cousin was a grower that he was handing it too ,, so much of a muchness ...
im not sure sellers of fem seeds are selling the same ones hempy made , most guys in the thread seem to think a hybridising would fix the vigour deal , those that are lacking ,, but its not to say just because hempys lacked vigour that all would ..
the last statement seems to point toward a turn around of the value of feminised seeds ???
sorry for my lack of usual fun self , been too busy of late , chasing the tail , but darn that thing can move ,, lol ....
no offence to anyone ,, im just in a picky mood , must be one of those double testosterone days here ....
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hempy
Guest
hi mate well which plant you meaning s1 mh i posted info on that all ready but in short i had one in flower that was ready to be harvested and 1 was put in to flower then something came up that made me unable to harvest it and all i was able to do was water them for 5 weeks after it was ready i then harvested it and as i did noticed a few male pollen sacks in only the top few flowers think 3 or so in all i removed them harvested the over rip mango haze and then pollinated the clone of her self that was in early flower and got 20 seed the smoke speaks for its self got no seed from her and saw 2 or 3 single pollen sacks in a few top flowers ether way they would not pollinate and make seed as they showed late .
Trainwreck the line does the same thing and that is fact people breed with that true or not ?
I dont use chemicals mate and or would i go out and make fem seeds.
There are many people mate that have grown sativas out doors that will tell you what im saying here being that a plant can produce a single seed from a large out door plant self preservation i believe it to be.
I gave the seed from the clone i posted about not the s1 mango haze but the other line that came here decades ago to my cussin as he loved this line but i gave him mango haze widow and other clones to.
The seeds from the clone that seeded after a few years my cussin loved it as it is good potent mj they grew huge taller than the farm house big yields and he was lucky to find 20 seed from each huge plant max i got 10 seed back from him last he had to make more for him and you know what i saw no hermies females and males sexed out i selected the strongest of the group and made seed and keepet a few past the rest to him this line would level you.
I dont breed hermies mate only 2 lines i ever saved that were made by self pollination is that unknown line and this S1 MH and both are very good smoke in fact i would put them up against most lines.
Most alleged elite lines are from bag seed a single seed found in an unknown bag of mj very possible Hermie seed at lest im honest and say it as it its trainwreck was hyped and hyped yet how many will admit it threw nannas late in flower few.