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gobshite
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was said in jest, genetically they are what they are no matter if temp change or any other enviromental change shows otherwise... so perhaps high temps can make them transiently male.
Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis.
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british_hempire
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So sex is predetermined genetically before the seed is even germed?
PS Glad to see ya still around mate, we need your input.
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british_hempire
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I would if Kari Byron and the blonde one with all the tattoos presented it and had to smoke all the females to test em! lol
Doobz
Active member
You kill it, I will cook it. I was a pretty good chef for about 5 years till I packed it in.. I still love to cook. As long as its fresh and as close to organic as possible I will cook/eat it..
E2a: Ohh yea, this was dinner tonight.. Fresh Trout..
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GreenintheThumb
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Yep, it's determined at pollination.
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british_hempire
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Someone tell rockster and englishrick that plz. Both have claimed to have females turn male on them in some kind of supernatural paranormal event.
Or am I being too cynical and it could actually be possible for a female cutting to turn itself into a male without any application of chemical solutions?
Or am I being too cynical and it could actually be possible for a female cutting to turn itself into a male without any application of chemical solutions?
kylebroflovski
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What about what Nevil said about expression?
I, like him have kept males for long periods under MANY conditions and not once did ANY males I selected turn female in appearance. Why Chimera? If intersex characteristics are on both the x and Y how would this happen? Why do males require GA while the xx's do not?
And what about my earlier posts? Am I a jerk worthy of being ignored or are the questions I posed just so silly and they are not worthy of a response from you because your time is so valuable?
If you are here to educate as you claim then please respond as aggressively to inquiries of the subject as you do to defend yourself against personal attacks.
Holding My Breath,
KB 8)_~
I, like him have kept males for long periods under MANY conditions and not once did ANY males I selected turn female in appearance. Why Chimera? If intersex characteristics are on both the x and Y how would this happen? Why do males require GA while the xx's do not?
And what about my earlier posts? Am I a jerk worthy of being ignored or are the questions I posed just so silly and they are not worthy of a response from you because your time is so valuable?
If you are here to educate as you claim then please respond as aggressively to inquiries of the subject as you do to defend yourself against personal attacks.
Holding My Breath,
KB 8)_~
GreenintheThumb
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What about it. He admits to not knowing much about sexual expression in cannabis.
Plants don't change sex. The end. The intersex genes are on the autosomes, they aren't on the X or the Y. As to the GA: why does estrogen have a feminizing effect and testosterone a masculizing one in humans?
You silly goose.
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british_hempire
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Kyle, are you also known as hooiserdaddy? I'm sensing the same agressive tendencies.
Thanks for the info on the intersex trait GitT.
I have had a male start to grow pistillate flowers after a lot of stress but never had one turn female, same as I have never had one turn female.
englishrick is adamant there can have been no mixup with cuttings so he is sure it just turned male mystically through some unknown force.
Rockster is also adamant there was no mixup, but I'm wondering if they are telling a wee porky pie to be able to claim they have a pure Cheese male and therefore can make pure Cheese seeds. Rockster is still mad at me for when I said i thoght they were wasting their time as Cheese is nothing special and the Exodus cut is not even the best of the Cheeses. They are spending years of time and effort working with a boring, bland, poor yielding and mediocre potency Skunk #1 and I really don't see the point, Skunk #1 is mediocre at best imho. Like Nev said, it was great for improving bud structure and calyx to leaf ratio in crosses, but by itself, it's bland and uninspiring, bog standard commercial fare and not conoisseur level at all.
Thanks for the info on the intersex trait GitT.
I have had a male start to grow pistillate flowers after a lot of stress but never had one turn female, same as I have never had one turn female.
englishrick is adamant there can have been no mixup with cuttings so he is sure it just turned male mystically through some unknown force.
Rockster is also adamant there was no mixup, but I'm wondering if they are telling a wee porky pie to be able to claim they have a pure Cheese male and therefore can make pure Cheese seeds. Rockster is still mad at me for when I said i thoght they were wasting their time as Cheese is nothing special and the Exodus cut is not even the best of the Cheeses. They are spending years of time and effort working with a boring, bland, poor yielding and mediocre potency Skunk #1 and I really don't see the point, Skunk #1 is mediocre at best imho. Like Nev said, it was great for improving bud structure and calyx to leaf ratio in crosses, but by itself, it's bland and uninspiring, bog standard commercial fare and not conoisseur level at all.
b0b_b1tch1n
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i had a female CM turn male on me (full male not hermie), the seed mother and its clones , i mentioned it to shanti along with some other things , he never did say anything about it ,,, i DONT care what you THINK or dont think because it happened to me so im 100% sure it can happen and does
i still have 1 living clone from it vegging
i still have 1 living clone from it vegging
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british_hempire
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Nice attitude bob, in case you were wondering, yeah, I'm being sarcastic.
Had you actually flowered out a cutting of that plant all the way to full maturity and harvest as a female prior to it 'turning male'.
Had you actually flowered out a cutting of that plant all the way to full maturity and harvest as a female prior to it 'turning male'.
GUANOIZDASHIZNIT
New member
females procreate can males? NO why would a male want to turn sex if it cant procreate life
cannatari
New member
Maybe we shouldn't think of pistils and stamen as sexual expressions since the majority of varieties seem to have the ability to go both ways. Consider Nev's true female...if I'm correct...produced stamen but not pollen. We got female plants spontaneously turning male, females that produce male and female pollen, and the argument of sexual determination at the moment of pollenation.
To this newb it sound like all MJ plants are herms and that the presence of pistils and stamen are better categorized as a phenotypical expression. Only the absence of the Y chromosome proves a true female. Our gardens could be full of males that just have female phenotypes. How do you know if your prized lady is absent of the Y?
To this newb it sound like all MJ plants are herms and that the presence of pistils and stamen are better categorized as a phenotypical expression. Only the absence of the Y chromosome proves a true female. Our gardens could be full of males that just have female phenotypes. How do you know if your prized lady is absent of the Y?
b0b_b1tch1n
Banned
it and 4 others were put into 12/12 , out of the five two were female , so i put them back into 24/0 for a month , once revegged for that month i took clones and couldnt believe when i started seeing males in the flower room , espesially when both moms still sat there showing female , so i flipped them both to 12/12 and one went poof male , so i killed it
sarcasim is not needed on a help and info forum and kinda childish
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Donald Mallard
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yes males can , when they produce female parts , so i guess strictly speaking it is an intersexed plant,, they can certainly pollenate themselves and produce seeds ...
most folks destroy the males in their grows , crops ,, ive grown many to and past maturity ,, and seen plenty of them show to be intersexed, many strains , not just one or two ...
GUANOIZDASHIZNIT
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plenty of your males have shown to be intersexed. thank god you dont have the last ssh stud on earth lol only joking. So what is it then enviromental stress or preservation. So would you regard it a blessing or a nightmare? I have never seen a male turning sex naturally
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british_hempire
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Sorry, but as you didn't flower them out to maturity then you can't say for sure they were female. How long were they in 12/12? Just till you sexed them, right? So you saw some some preflowers and identified them as female, then revegged and took cuttings then those cuttings showed male flowers under 12/12? Then the mother was put into 12/12 and it showed male flowers, a mother that had only been identified as female after a short time in 12/12 previously?
None of this proves that the plant was ever a female or a male, what you saw could easily be explained as intersex expressions. I've seen similar things happen a ton of times, I've had plants that had male preflowers when first expressing sex in 12/12 then grew into lovely females after I picked off the few male preflowers and never showed another male flower in a half dozen runs from cutting. I've had plants that I put in 12/12 and showed female preflowers that when cloned grew balls while sat in my propagator. I've seen plants that showed female preflowers in veg and when clones and flowered grew as females later grow both males and female flowers when a different clone of the same plant was flowered.
In my current run I had a Jack Herer x Bubblegum plant that showed male preflowers after about 14 days of 12/12, I decided to keep him flowering because he was the nicest Jack x Gum male I have seen so far. That plant has been tucked away in the back corner of my space. Today, 10 days after it showed me tiny balls I moved the plants blocking my view of it to check how it's doing and if any male sacks were looking like they may open soon. To my immense surprise it now had only female flowers and not a male sack in sight. It has me thinking I misidentified it's sex, and i didn't take a pic of it's balls so am going on memory, but I'm positive it had male balls ten days ago. This means one of two things has happened - either I misidentified the preflowers as balls when they were actually calyxes or the balls I saw were balls and this is a female that has an intersex trait, both are very feasible and have happened to me before, I just don't believe in spontaneous gender switching. I have seen several plants that had male flowers when first sexed turn out to be females. Intersexed plants sometimes grow male and female flowers at the same time, that's very common. However, instersexed plants sometimes grow male and female flowers at different times in their life cycle, that is not as common but definitely happens as I've seen it several times.
None of this amounts to evidence that males and females can switch gender mystically at will, it's intersexed plants growing different gender flowers at different times, probably due to stresses such as being moved from 12/12 to 24/0 lighting schedules. I've seen sativas from Asian imports that flowered as a female for a couple of months suddenly shoot new branches out of the tops of their buds that contained only male flowers, this to me shows that what I'm saying about intersexed plants being able to switch between what type of flowers they grow at random is correct, if the timing of switch were different and not halfway through it's flowering cycle then I could see how this would appear to be a plant changing it's gender. Sometime intersexed plants grow both male and female flowers at the same time, sometimes they grow female flowers only with just the odd one or two male flowers, that's very common, sometimes they grow just male flowers then switch to just female with or without the odd new male flower. I think this is all just intersex issues rather than sex switching. Only once have I had a plant that grew equal number of male and female flowers right from the get go, that was a Mexican bagseed. I believe intersexed plants are caused by damage to the autosomes where the genes for sexuality are, often this damage doesn't manifest itself unless the plant in stressed.
Neither of us were taking notes or working in any kind of way that would support valid scientific observations so our experiences can't be taken as hard and fast fact of course.
Until someone comes along with a published and creditable scientific paper that says cannabis plants can switch sex then I'm not buying it, it's just so much more likely that what is actually happening is expression of the intersex trait and those expressions taking on different forms, at different times in the life cycle.
In any other category of horticulture where legal plants were grown, such as food and fruit crops, this issue would have been decisively resolved long ago through large-scale crop trials but because cannabis is largely illegal all round the world then no-one is doing large-scale crop trials with Cannabis as the subject so there are many gaps in our knowledge of many aspects of Cannabis, the nature of it's sexual expression mechanism being a prime example as Nev earlier pointed out.