Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis.

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I have a bulk of a Lavender Lights cross. It consistantly throws way more males then females. I run it next to several varieties, and always see the same thing. Probably at least 70% are always male. Ive been concerned that those males, might make more of the same, but, the phenos produced by them were 50-50 male/female, of good quality
 
could the sex percentage be passed down from the parents in any way?

For example.. If you have two strains that are exactly the same.. Call them Sue1 crossed with same pollen from the same male Bob1 but grown in different conditions/locations to make the seeds..

Could the environmental variables affect the percentage of male to fems produced in those seeds produced from Sue1?

I hope that makes sense.. :)
 
Doobz - Thats an interesting idea that environmental factors/stresses present WHILE the seed is being produced could effect sex instead of environment AFTER germination. Cool concept.

I'm an idiot but so far I think the breeders and scientists are saying that you will get 50% males 50% females everytime, genetically speaking. These genetic males and females may express other "sex" charateristics but they are either male or female genetically speaking.

I think what they are saying is you have either xx or xy(period)? Attached to each x and y is an autosome (?) or was it an allele (?) that is influenced by environment which in turn influences the sexual expression but not the genome. But it still is either xx or xy.

Even though people like myself start seeds and get an apparent 70-80% female, the science is saying if I start enough seeds the 50/50 ratio will appear.? This is still being debated though.

I Think?,

KB 8)~_
 
I finally found the pic of the Feminized "Male" seed that came from Big Buddha Cheese that never produced pollen..


 
Hiya Nevil,

Not at all mate. The pollen sacks opened and there was nothing inside them.

It was a real nice plant too. Very hardy. I had it outside and it survived all summer and half the U.K winter..
 
Interesting. A few people have found males in fem seeds now. Whether this indicates the possibility of a male from S1s or just bad sorting of seed lots by the company I dunno.

Englishrick said he had a female clone from S1 seed turn male on him, I'm highly sceptical on that. Rockster had the same thing happen with a clone from Cheese S1s he made and he used it to breed with to make a line he is calling Exodus #1. Again, I'm sceptical. It is quite possible that those cuttings never turned male they just went very intersexed.

I really dunno, the whole fem thing doesn't interest me as I don't see the advantages over regular seeds, I actually like getting males as it makes it simple for me to make more seeds. For instance, if I shell out the money for SSH or Nev's Haze I would always make f2s so I have those genes to play with for years to come. For me it's not about making seeds for other people (although I always share with friends who want some) it's about preserving genes for my own use in future. I've lost a ton of excellent cuttings over the years but as long as I have more seed of that line I haven't lost it completely and the chance of finding a replacement keeper is always there.
 
Not at all mate. The pollen sacks opened and there was nothing inside them.
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A true female by the sound of it.
Englishrick said he had a female clone from S1 seed turn male on him, I'm highly sceptical on that
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And yet I'm inclined to think that it can happen. I'm of the opinion that SK1 started off as a intersex type (guessing). You can still get SK1 to reverse at the drop of a hat. We just don't know enough about cannabis sexuality.

I got some seeds out of some local weed (Perth, and if there is someone local who's got something decent to smoke send me a PM) that was surprisingly good. Feminised NL5Hz, is my bet. All hermies. 5Hz never had that problem. I'd like to do a fem with the 2 best 5hz cuts, just to see what happens. I'd like to get to the bottom of this.
N.
 
I agree Nev, we just don't have a complete enough understanding of the sexual expression mechanism yet.

I have reversed the Exodus Cheese cutting which is a Skunk#1 pheno and it is very easy to get it to turn into a male with only male flowers, however, it is much more difficult to get it to produce pollen, I used colloidal silver I made and you have to get the application rate and timing of application right otherwise you don't get pollen.

I have a Highland Oaxacan Gold cutting that produces the odd male flower so always has half a dozen seeds per plant (no biggie having 6 seeds in 2oz imho) and I've grown out about 25 of those seeds, they all produced females with male flowers, never seen a male but of course, 25 isn't a meaningful number to form a thesis of any kind.

When I was living in Spain for a while I met a load of Spanish growers and it amazed me how ignorant they were of how a proper female cannabis plant should be, they are so used to females having some male flowers they think it is the normal way of things. One experienced grower told me he thought he was doing well if he only had a few seeds in an ounce of end product. I tried and tried to explain to them how skewed their views were and they laughed at me, this is the result of all the hacked fem seeds that have flooded the Spanish market. You can't even buy regular seeds in most Spanish grow shops now, people only want fems and the new trend is autoflowering fems, seed to weed in under 3 months, but crappy quality and usually seeded as so much of it hermies. There must be a strong risk of reinforcing intersex traits with fems as most if not all of the genes the Spanish are using are just old cuttings of classics like White Widow, Critical Mass, NL5Haze etc. The original lines the cuts they use come from don't have intersex issues so why do the fems made from them have major intersex problems?

One great example of a Spanish company I have zero respect for is Dinafem, they are nothing but thieves imho. Look at their collection of strains, it is all stolen, prime example being Critical Plus, which is just an S1 of the 'Bilbo' cutting of Critical Mass. They also sell hybrids made with pollen from the Bilbo CM cutting. To me, companies like this are a major threat to the future of our beloved plant. What will the genepool be like in twn years when most of the seeds you can buy are autoflowering fems? If you're answer if anything outher than 'even more f&^%ed than it is now' then I think you've got your head in the sand.

Nev, hope you find something nice to smoke!
 
Nev, hope you find something nice to smoke!
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I live in the most isolated capital city in the world. Most of the weed here comes from South Australia. Skunkoid crap. There is someone here growing Haze, but I can't track them down. The young fellas here are trying to keep the source to themselves so that they can sell it to me at twice the price. Fuck 'em. I'll go without. Funny thing is that after denying me, they then ask for help with their grow. Yeah right, I'll come round tomorrow.
I'm just bitching. It's not good for me (or anyone around me) if I'm not properly medicated. Apart from the best weather in the world, Perth sucks. I'm itching to move, not long now, but where is it OK for people like us on this God forsaken planet.
Smoking Moose was telling me the other day, about this island somewhere where they told the Americans to get fucked with their treaty and dope is legal. It's no doubt a pipe dream, but keep looking SM.
I stayed in Coober Pedy in South Australia for a while. It's an opal mining town smack in the middle of nowhere. Me and my nephew used to sit around smoking dope (no shortage there) in an underground house. It's 20 degrees all year round underground.
For fun I'd do some mining with these boys who have a tunnelling machine. It's a shitty town, but every band that crosses inland Australia has to stop there.
We'd smoke and make plans for digging a huge underground house of rock. Remember the Tittie twister from the movie "from dusk til dawn"?
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That's what I had in mind. I could do it! The Greeks own that town, but I've got a silver tongued mate of Greek descent who could schmooze them (hey Hempy). All we really need is Salma Hayek to do the show. Here's the music http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&s...sg=AFQjCNGD_CCyKDAS3z9vBQOHi8xomoJbaw&cad=rja
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Dc-ixUZrs&feature=related to put you in the the mood. There is not many cops there and they never bothered me. There's no swat team to keep order if things get out of hand, but it's a risk I'm willing to take. For not too much money these miners would totally get into this. The thing about tunnelling, it gives you ideas.
I joined a gun club while I was there, just for fun and to meet people. I never did any pistol shooting before. What do you know, I'm a crack shot especially rapid fire at close range. I beat them all on the first day. I got in the paper 3 times. People treat you with respect if they know you can shoot their buttons off.
Anyway, a few boys together could easily pull this off. It'd be somewhere to hang out. It's pretty hard to bust an underground bunker. Not many doors or windows.
It's an idea anyway. Anyone else got ideas?
N.
 
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hiya Nev the greeks would be easy to win over in fact the hole town would be an easy thing to win over a few sheep on the spit a BBQ cranking snags and fried onion rolls a few salads and veg burgers for the non meat eaters and the winning formula free beer few kegs and my friend you would be the town mayor lol.
 
Nevil said:
I'm a crack shot especially rapid fire at close range. I beat them all on the first day. I got in the paper 3 times. People treat you with respect if they know you can shoot their buttons off.
It's an idea anyway. Anyone else got ideas?
N.
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I have an idea!
LOL

Next time You come to California, You can stop by here and shoot a real pistol. I doubt You will be firing it rapid fire, an it is very heavy, and kicks like a mule. Smith and Wesson 500 Magnum. Thats a 50 calibur MagThrows a 24 inch fireball when You shoot it at night. Shoots right through trees.
 
Robo cop

I take several pistols to the shooting range, and after everyone settled in shooting 45s and 357s and even their 44 mags, Ill pull out the 500 and take a couple shots. Everyone in the place stops shooting and turns to watch. Someone always says the same thing. "Hes got a cannon over there".

Thats what Im looking for in a weed cross. A canon!
 
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