HP-13

[bigherb]

Thanks for the info british hempire,it all makes sence now. So where is the best HP or G13HP seeds that can be bought now?
Not paticulary an original one but a good example by todays standards?

IMO

the best source of hashplant seeds offered ATM is no doubt motarebel and top dawg jj-nyc

mota has hybrids of nevs 88 g13/hp and also has offered a g13bx which got som great reviews that has caused a demand from myself and others for another drop of stock

jj-nyc of todawg seeds has that infamous hp13 cutting as a hybrid and the hp#1 and i believe cuddlefish aswell in hybrids

ive grabbed the hp13 from top dawg but havnt run them yet ,but is a report or 2 on them


i hope neville does a rerelease of the classic g13/hp


1luvbigherb

 

[british_hempire]

I like both jj-nyc and motarebel, I've exchanged seeds with both of them and they are both decent, kind and honest guys, their seeds that I have grown have all been top notch, some of the best I've grown in recent years. Wish there were more guys like them in this very seedy biz.

 

[Morphote]

i hope neville does a rerelease of the classic g13/hp

I'm all ova it if he duz.

 

[Kangativa]

Hi ya Big Herb.....I have some of A's Hashplant Haze from DNA that he gave me and I have it in now, did you ever try this ??

 

[british_hempire]

I'm not 100% sure but I think DNA's Hashplant Haze is actually derived from the Hashplant x Haze seeds that Shanti gave away free in Spain a few years, I seem to remember Shanti saying he handed out a couple of kilos of those seeds to kickstart the Spanish scene, I think in conjunction with Canamo magazine. My memory may be faulty on this buy I think DNA obtained a HP x Haze cutting from a guy in Spain, there is certainly a HP x Haze cutting in Holland and it definitely predates the DNA boys arrival in the Dam.

 

[Kangativa]

I'm not 100% sure but I think DNA's Hashplant Haze is actually derived from the Hashplant x Haze seeds that Shanti gave away free in Spain a few years, I seem to remember Shanti saying he handed out a couple of kilos of those seeds to kickstart the Spanish scene, I think in conjunction with Canamo magazine. My memory may be faulty on this buy I think DNA obtained a HP x Haze cutting from a guy in Spain, there is certainly a HP x Haze cutting in Holland and it definitely predates the DNA boys arrival in the Dam.

Sounds about right, DNA mentioned Shanti in his discussions with me regarding some of his strains and Nevil has also mentioned to me that it is more than likely his crossing....I was just curious to hear someones grow report on it.
Preferably a outdoor one.

 

[Chana Masala]

Sounds about right, DNA mentioned Shanti in his discussions with me regarding some of his strains and Nevil has also mentioned to me that it is more than likely his crossing....I was just curious to hear someones grow report on it.
Preferably a outdoor one.

Good night all,

I am running now in early stages but unfortunately, will not be outdoors...

Anyone know which haze was used in SB's G-13xHaze.

Peace,

Chana

 

[bigherb]

Hi ya Big Herb.....I have some of A's Hashplant Haze from DNA that he gave me and I have it in now, did you ever try this ??

i havnt tried their stock i thought about about getting seeds when they were first available but i opted for tora bora instead which was suppose to be a knockout smoke only for heavyweights or somthin like that but IME ,it was amazing but not that powerful my first true hashplant grow greasy overall impressive except the power of the high .although ive only grown out 1 seed


BH is correct about the DNA hashplanthaze aka hollywoodhashplant being from shanti stock ,i was told soo by an old friend of DNA who had told me about some of their shady dealings that the cut comes from his friend who found it in the stock shanti gave them in spain around 2000

another reason i wanted to grab it is also because the hashplanthaze which is the old cutting still in S.holland ive had the pleasure to experience in green house CS that i was told by franco was a item not from their library but from old growers in the south ,i dont think this is the same selection but im sure its the same parents


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Good night all,

I am running now in early stages but unfortunately, will not be outdoors...

Anyone know which haze was used in SB's G-13xHaze.

Peace,

Chana

haze C


best of luck

fresh genetics

I'm all ova it if he duz

if i recall he mentioned somthin that this might be a possibilty

luckily ive got a pack if not


1luvbigherb

 

[british_hempire]

BH is correct about the DNA hashplanthaze aka hollywoodhashplant being from shanti stock ,i was told soo by an old friend of DNA who had told me about some of their shady dealings that the cut comes from his friend who found it in the stock shanti gave them in spain around 2000

There's a lot of shady things to tell about DNA, but I'll leave that to others. At the Telford Hemp Expo in 2007 I was stood outside smoking some Cheese with a couple of friends and the DNA boys, Gerrit and Shanti joined us and DNA were talking about Haze A and Haze C and blah blah blah, I was half listening, they were in the middle of their spiel when Shanti arrived and DNA changed the subject when they spotted Shanti which gave me an ironic little giggle to myself. I kind of bailed DNA out cos I asked Shanti if he was enjoying being able to get back to swimming and growing after his sad incarceration in Switzerland and we chatted about Ticino and general life things rather than weed. I just felt it best to show respect to Shanti by avoiding the Haze subject, he's a proper gent so he probably doesn't enjoy listening to guys like DNA talking about Haze as he knows a ton more than they ever will on that score.

another reason i wanted to grab it is also because the hashplanthaze which is the old cutting still in S.holland ive had the pleasure to experience in green house CS that i was told by franco was a item not from their library but from old growers in the south ,i dont think this is the same selection but im sure its the same parents

I have sampled that HPHaze too and you're right, it's damn fine pot. For once, Franco was completely correct in the info he told you. The crew down South who still hold it and grow it also hold the A5, C5 and Mexican Haze, like you I don't think it's the same cutting as the one from Spain as I think they have had it for a long time, I suspect they have had it as long as they have had the A5 and C5, possibly it comes from Nevil's old grows as the A5 and C5 do. Maybe Nev can shed some light on the origins of this particular HPHaze cutting. I have a friend who is tight with that crew down south so I can find out about those cuts next time I see him.

 

[Nevil]

All of those cuts are mine that I passed out to people I knew. They have been kept alive.
They also have a G13xHzA. I don't remember crossing that to G13xHzC. It might be time to give it a go.
N.

 

[Kangativa]

BigHerb and BH thank you both on your input.
I put a few of these in and have had a very good strike rate, I look forward to seeing how they go after everything you both have said. I also got given some La Con x HPHZ, which could also prove interesting. Didnt start any though.

 

[british_hempire]

All of those cuts are mine that I passed out to people I knew. They have been kept alive.
They also have a G13xHzA. I don't remember crossing that to G13xHzC. It might be time to give it a go.
N.

That was where I thought they came from but I didn't want to speak on your behalf Nev. When I first met the guys from the south that was what they told me, they are proud of having kept them going but aren't in the slightest big-headed or conceited about it, they just love those cuts.

Those guys from the south are really nice people with fantastic grow skills, I've seen lots of pics of their grows of A5, C5 and other Haze cuttings and they are possibly the most impressive grows I've ever seen. They regularly pull some incredible numbers with those cuts, I think they said the best they have managed was 3.2 g per watt with one of the cuttings that yields the best of the lot and 2.8 with the second best yielding. they use basic straight powdered ferts and from week 8 of the 12 week flowering period they use just mono potassium phosphate and cutting out the N from week 8 like that makes those cuts produce buds that are really dense and solid.

There are a bunch of strains available that use the G13Haze male Soma discovered and those old cuts Nev passed out. One is sold by Dampkring as Ocean's Twelve Haze, Barney's sold some of them under various names too, the Mexican Haze is A5 x a Mexican male, I know there is also a A5 x G13Haze, a C5 x G13Haze, an Amnesia (SSH bagseed from 98) x G13 Haze, a HPHaze x G13Haze and probably some others, not sure of the names they have been given by the companies who those breeds have been sold to in seed form. While those crosses are all good I would rather see what Nev can come up with.

 

[british_hempire]

BigHerb and BH thank you both on your input.
I put a few of these in and have had a very good strike rate, I look forward to seeing how they go after everything you both have said. I also got given some La Con x HPHZ, which could also prove interesting. Didnt start any though.

Always pleased to share info mate.

LA Con is a lovely plant, a short, squat indica similar to Bubba Kush, it may well be a Bubba hybrid. LA Con x HPHaze sounds like a cross with a load of potential, look forward to seeing your future grows with these new genes, I'm sure you'll get the best out of them going by your prior work. Having that strong Aussie sun on your side helps I'm sure, cannabis should be grown outdoors imho, indoor growing is the result of the illegal situation, if it were legal to grow I doubt I'd flower much indoors, nothing beats the big halide in the sky and good dirt.

 

[bigherb]

There's a lot of shady things to tell about DNA, but I'll leave that to others. At the Telford Hemp Expo in 2007 I was stood outside smoking some Cheese with a couple of friends and the DNA boys, Gerrit and Shanti joined us and DNA were talking about Haze A and Haze C and blah blah blah, I was half listening, they were in the middle of their spiel when Shanti arrived and DNA changed the subject when they spotted Shanti which gave me an ironic little giggle to myself. I kind of bailed DNA out cos I asked Shanti if he was enjoying being able to get back to swimming and growing after his sad incarceration in Switzerland and we chatted about Ticino and general life things rather than weed. I just felt it best to show respect to Shanti by avoiding the Haze subject, he's a proper gent so he probably doesn't enjoy listening to guys like DNA talking about Haze as he knows a ton more than they ever will on that score.



I have sampled that HPHaze too and you're right, it's damn fine pot. For once, Franco was completely correct in the info he told you. The crew down South who still hold it and grow it also hold the A5, C5 and Mexican Haze, like you I don't think it's the same cutting as the one from Spain as I think they have had it for a long time, I suspect they have had it as long as they have had the A5 and C5, possibly it comes from Nevil's old grows as the A5 and C5 do. Maybe Nev can shed some light on the origins of this particular HPHaze cutting. I have a friend who is tight with that crew down south so I can find out about those cuts next time I see him.

nice to see ya posting again your a wealth of knowledge


i wont go into the DNA controversy myself because in my two visits to the shop they were both friendly and generous ,but on the subject of haze and incense there knowledge was lacking i told them about nyc haze but they werent familiar ,anyhow i exspected to be enlightened considering they supposedly had the haze bros haze cutting ,but nowadays id bet the bank they could learn somthing from me.

true but sad to say this wasnt even from the GH stock and none of their offering IME have been wat i kno as haze or even high quality .the HPH was the best haze IME ive sampled in adam also the closest in resemblence to the traits of our NYC haze along with the g13haze that won the cup but from wat i understand the g13haze barney won the cup with was a neville haze Xg13,soo being a NH hybrid makes sense

quote from reef

quote RM
No it has nothing to do with soma's g13 haze male it was airborn g13 x nevils haze male

that LA con is one of my favorite CS offerings in the dam,the idea of it being a bubba hybrid i dont believe,but my bubba experience is limited to a hybrid of fugu kush from mota which was grade A and quite reminescent of the kush that circulates NYC

if you recall dusty who is still active at the farm has that affie cut and wen he first posted told them he knew there soucr and shared the story ,so it seems this cali affie exist in the circle which DNA knew.id love to taste her

NEVILLE

All of those cuts are mine that I passed out to people I knew. They have been kept alive.
They also have a G13xHzA. I don't remember crossing that to G13xHzC. It might be time to give it a go.
N.

i thought soo ,thanks too you for spreading and thanks too those good folks who have preserved

not sure if you answered this already ,id love to know which haze parent was used in the hashplant haze or if you made a cross with both ?

They also have a G13xHzA. I don't remember crossing that to G13xHzC. It might be time to give it a go

what exactly was the haze parent in the offering in your if i recall 88 seed catalouge g13HZC ?

as its thought and story told is that the g13haze male that everyone is using contains the haze C male


kangativa


anytime brother


1luvbigherb

 

[british_hempire]

Take what reef says with a pinch of salt.

Barney's do a lot of shenanigans with their genes, there is a load of info over at icmag in Zeno's old thread. They definitely sold some G13Haze crosses, Love Potion from them isn't the original G13 x Colombian Gold reef did, it's thought to be one of the G13Haze crosses they bought in as seed, I forget the specifics now but a while back the breeder spilled the beans on a few things to do with Barney's.

I hate sounding negative but when talking about people like DNA, reef and Barney's it's hard to be positive.

I'm not saying LA Con is a Bubba cross, it probably isn't but there are some pretty strong similarities. Bubba is almost certainly an old Afghan so it makes sense that a hybrid of another old Afghan would remind me of Bubba.

On the Haze bros cut thing, that's just BS. The description of Cannaloupe Haze would be hilarious if it wasn't so annoyingly bogus. They say it's a Haze bros Haze cutting crossed to a Michoacan sativa. Well, how the hell do you get an 8 week chunky hybrid out of Haze and Michoacan? The answer is simple, you don't, they made it up. It's probably what Gypsy claimed it was - C99. That would mean it has a tiny wee bit of Haze in it as C99 is derived from a Jack Herer bagseed and Jack has some Haze in it. I bet DNA have never even seen a Michoacan, they aren't old enough to have been around when there was still Michoacan to be had. I have grown a Michoacan line and it was similar to a highland Oaxacan but with a more delicate structure, thinner leaves and smaller yield, but overall quite similar to an Oaxacan as Michoacan is just a bit further north up the Pacific coast of Mexico from Oaxaca and they are both part of the Sierra Madre chain.

 

[Chana Masala]

they use basic straight powdered ferts and from week 8 of the 12 week flowering period they use just mono potassium phosphate and cutting out the N from week 8 like that makes those cuts produce buds that are really dense and solid.

Good morning all,

This is really informative thread. Thank you for this...

This one might not be an appropriate here but this thread has taken all form so far...

BH, I noticed you mentioned some master growers you know who feed with MKP.

I did some google searching and will give this a try when flowering out my Neville's. I saw one manufacturer that says it is great for plants that dont need high levels of nitrogen, so totally makes sense with your friends who grow out Nev's cultivars exceptionally well.

I do use silicate, but it is no where in the levels of the MKP. I personally prefer powder nutrients and microbes so this will be a great additon to my developing Haze garden.

Anymore info on what grade or brand would be great. Here is a link I found on one manufacture. They have an excellent application section and also have recommendations when using with Calcium and Magnesium.

http://www.haifachem.com/download/files/multi-mkp_1.pdf

Thanks again,

Chana

 

[Doobz]

Chana.. I have used Grotek Monster Bloom which is basically MKP just with branding and a higher price tag..

I recently got a headsup from a mate about plain powder MKP and bought some on monday so will be trying out the plain powder compared to the Grotek stuff that costs a damn fortune compared to the unbranded MKP that costs about £3.99 compared to Grotek's £30

Here is a nice link for you from breedbay..

 

[Chana Masala]

Chana.. I have used Grotek Monster Bloom which is basically MKP just with branding and a higher price tag..

I recently got a headsup from a mate about plain powder MKP and bought some on monday so will be trying out the plain powder compared to the Grotek stuff that costs a damn fortune compared to the unbranded MKP that costs about £3.99 compared to Grotek's £30

Here is a nice link for you from breedbay..

Hi Doobz,

Thanks for the reply. I have used Grotek's Monster Bloom, just never applied to NH or longer flowering sat. I usually use Grotek's Pro Silicate, but this has been with regard to indi dom grows.

Thanks for the link, it seems British Hempire has actually answered my question in another forum.

I would love to hear how the pure mkp works out for you. Bastard nutrient companies really do profit of us, as do their retailers...

Peace brother,

Chana

 

[british_hempire]

Yup, you guys are on the right track.

Mono PK has an NPK of 0-52-34 so when you see these mega expensive bloom booster powders like Monster Bloom and Ton O Bud that say 0-50-30 on them they are just mono PK powder. Last time I looked a 500g tub of Ton of Bud was over 80 quid, I can buy a 25 kilo sack of Krista MKP brand mono PK for 34 quid at my local farmer supply store.

The way to use mono PK with a Haze hybrid is at week 8 you stop feeding any other nutes and just give the mono PK until you start the flush, you'll be amazed how this packs on the bud mass and you get really hard dense buds. It's total bullshit that you need all these fancy brands to grow amazing bud, the nute companies deliberately confuse and mislead people and conceal this kind of info imho. If you like to use some supplements like molasses, humic/fulvic acid and silica, you still feed those along with the mono PK, you are just switching from using your base bloom nute to using mono PK at week 8, this means you are cutting out all N and this makes the buds grow like mad and pack on weight and density and makes the plants finish in 12 weeks as giving N to a Haze hybrid in late flower prolongs the flower time.

Take a look at this thread on icmag, it showcases the A5, C5 and other Haze cuts being grown in the manner I describe above:

http://www.icmag.com/ic//showthread.php?t=53531&page=1

Sadly the pics Zeno posted in that thread of the amazing huge A5 and C5 buds are gone but here is a description by Machaze when he saw the grow:

Last week-end, I received a phone call from the old guy, if I want to see his babies in the last week of flush...

So yesterday, I went there with not so much expectation but

I had a nice cup of coffee (always need one) and he showed me some nice buds of the Mexican Haze ( Mexican Sativa x A5 ), and the smell was deep, some carrot/mango with a strong haze taste. Rolling the joint was a pleasure, smoking it was a highway to heaven...

Then we entered his growroom with giant trees, they are like 1,8-2m high, even measurements are written on the walls, so it was easy to know... The buds are so big, never saw that in my whole growing live, not even with thousands of watts and he uses 600w per square meters, with his lights about 1m higher than his plants... I had to squeeze some very hard buds, not fluffy at all, and some nice smells came out... The top buds are like giant 1m buds with about 30 cm diameter... Each plant was easely 200/300gr depending the strain, and with 4 on a square meter...

This is what Zeno said about how to grow these Hazes, he says the same as I was explaining, you cut out the N at week 8 and just give the mono PK powder:

the trick is to lower youre n in the 8th week of flowering.every week with 25% only with this formula you can get a bud as hard like a stone.

You can pull huge crops using this method, this is what the old guy down south told MacHaze:

as the old guy told me, it is very tricky to grow those sativa, and with the time and experience, you can have an average of 1,7gr per watt and I think the record was 2,2gr per watt with the C5. But for now, I am starting with those strains and nutes, so as a first timer I would not dream to get that yield, but I will try

Thos numbers are achieved with 600w per square metre with the lights screwed to the ceiling high above the plants, 4 plants per metre flowered for 12 weeks and fed hard as the A5 and C5 like to be fed hard, the key is the use of the mono PK from week 8 in order to cut out the N.

MacHaze explains this quite well:

As Zeno told and explained in the shedule, the amount of N will be decreased, starting in week 8 with 25% each week, but with having a higher amount of P & K instead to keep the same Ec values. So the last feeding is done only with P & K, then flushing untill it is ready...

I have tested it on other strains, but as you I never weighted my plants as I prefer to dry them complete with leaves and branches. The good thing is, that the bud structure is more compact, and hard solid, instead of being fluffy as it is mostly the case with hazes. The bag appeal is more tasty, and you have more weight on your buds.

Haifa Chemicals is an excellent brand, highly recommended by many old experienced folks I know, they use top quality salts and chelates, their products are actually higher quality than brands like Advanced Nutrients, Grotek and Canna, just they come in powdered form in a sack instead of a fancy bottle.

Hope that helps, pleased you found my post on breedbay about mono PK, it shows I'm not making this stuff up as I go along and am consistent in what I say over the years! lol

Please post a grow diary when you run the Hazes Chana, then we can guide you along and help you to grow some huge Haze buds that will blow your mind.

Damn, all this talk of growing Hazes has me wanting to run them myself now. I have some SSH vegging and a couple of them just about to show sex in 12/12 so that will have to do for now. One day I would love to get hold of the A5 and C5, I bet I can pull a half kilo under a 400 with them and there is no finer smoke than those cuts done well.