DJ Short's Class

  • Thread starter Thread starter jaybutta
  • Start date Start date
Hey Jay,
I almost forgot to include this. Thank you thank you thank you!!! I took such horrible notes at the class I attended in June. I had been kicking myself for smoking so much good herb while I was there. All I could do was just sit and stare in awe and amazement both days! Of course now you have gotten rid of one of my justifications as to why I should take the class again. Oh well I'll just have to go again for the good people and good herb!
Thanks again, AgD:D
 
Last edited:
Great Idea!

"#" said:
hello Jay,

thank you for shareing "first class" pardon the pun.:)


I wonder if Shanti would consider doing a course/class in europe?. :cool:





#
Click to expand...

Hey #...I hear you're the new moderator around here...:D

Anything for the community, brother...we're all here to learn and sharing is caring...there simply is not a better community (outside his own helpdesk) that would appreciate the information more, so I'm happy to tell you what I know...with regard to Shantibaba teaching, I wonder the same thing...sitting and listening to true breeders discuss the plant is like nothing I've ever experienced in my life...talking to an experienced grower is very cool, but talking to an experienced breeder is like taking it ten steps further...they've already asked and answered any question you can think of as a grower, and they've graduated onto the finer nuances of the plant...it gives a whole new perspective to activism, cultivation, and passion...smoking fine herb is a luxury, but creating fine herb is an act of inspiration and dedication...great breeders are truly inspiring people...I do hope Shanti does something very similar to what DJ is doing now...I would love to see a book from Shanti (please)...just sitting and listening to DJ talk about his life, his plants, his experiences made me wonder about all the other true breeders out there...jay:)
 
AgD said:
Hello all,
Just a little heads up for anyone confused enough to believe that that the variegation and crinkle traits within Dj's blue lines are viral in origin, a few simple tests will set you straight. Go buy or borrow lab type microscope, mount leaf specimen underside up and look at the stomata openings in areas of the leaf with normal growth and then take a look at the stomata on areas of mutated tissue. Notice anything? Now go grab a book on plant genetics or advanced propagation and read up on chimeral variegation(no not the Chimera Virus from Resident Evil you silly stoners) and polyploidism. If you still aren't set straight on this issue now, there is just one more test to preform. Go get one of those awful diseased virus carrying DJ Short plants that you are scared of. Careful now, you don't want to catch this virulent disease yourself better be safe and put a bio-hazard suit on. Ok, now that you have taken the proper precautions grab the most twisted variegated diseased leaf you can find and squeeze the leaf petiole till a small drop of sap appears at the cut end. Now get one of your non DJ plants and wound the stem somewhere just a few inches down from the apical meristem, apply diseased plant sap to wound. There all done stand back and wait for your healthy plant to become twisted and variegated as the virus takes over, just don't hold your breath. I have spent well over 1000hrs of lab time removing viral pathogens from just about every member of the genus Brassica and a few other agricultural crops using just about every current technique known. I have also seen just about every viral, bacterial, or fungal pathogen of vascular plants that occurs in North America either in person or in technical manuals. I have also been playing with 8 of DJ Shorts seed lines for the past 9 years with well over two hundred of his seeds germinated and many many more that I have made from in-crosses and out-crosses of his lines. From my light dabbling in plant genetics and micro-propagation I am more inclined to form the hypothesis that DJ Shorts lines where at one point treated with a spindle toxin such as colchicine or oryzalin that allowed the production of polyploid tissue that is carried on through sexual propagation leading to offspring with differing amounts and types of polyploidism(this is called a mixoploid look it up!) within the same plant specimen. DJ even states that this is what he believes may have happened(minus the mixoploid part that's all me). While this can lead to a number of terminal genetic flaws such as sterility and growth retardation, it can also lead to increased aromatic compounds, stronger cell walls and many other desirable traits. It's up to you to make the selections you find appealing! For real fun and excitement take a cutting from each branch of your favorite mutant Blueberry, Flo, Vanilluna, OTM or whichever one you are lucky enough to have that show a different expressions and flower them out and be amazed by the diversity you can find in just one seed! Now you can decide whether to believe kylebroflovski's conjecture, my technical blather, or you can wake up and start making your own hypothesis about what the world is doing around you. So I hope you all enjoyed my first post. DJ if you read this hope to see ya again soon, and I won't forget about the veggie seeds I promised to bring you! AgD;)
Click to expand...

Great post and thank you for taking the time to explain yourself...with all your experience and knowledge, this forum is better for having you...thanks a lot...jay:)
 
Thank You!

AgD said:
Hey Jay,
I almost forgot to include this. Thank you thank you thank you!!! I took such horrible notes at the class I attended in June. I had been kicking myself for smoking so much good herb while I was there. All I could do was just sit and stare in awe and amazement both days! Of course now you have gotten rid of one of my justifications as to why I should take the class again. Oh well I'll just have to go again for the good people and good herb!
Thanks again, AgD:D
Click to expand...

No worries, AgD...most of the people at the class just sat and stared...I can't really blame them...it's like bathing in canna wisdom...imagine Shanti walking into a room and "starting at the beginning":eek:...I purposely did not medicate too heavily so I could be clear and focused when it came to taking notes...as much as I write here, it does not compare to the class itself...I would expect much of the conversation to be different depending on the class and the attendees...I'll take the class again if he offers it...I can't get enough of that...it reminded me of when I first stumbled onto Marc Emery's site and saw that he had 600 plus strains listed...this class blew my mind just like that...he really is a great pioneer and he deserves credit for the work that he has done, as well as the work that he is doing...I feel like I know so much more about BB now that I have sat down and listened to him talk about her...thanks again for sharing your experience...jay:)
 
Hello again. Sorry that iam so confused that I have brought up a topic of conversation which some fan boys may find offensive but...Iam still confused I guess. I do not believe that listing identification techniques for known pathogens would necessarily reveal what is behind the variegation and crinkles of DJ's lines if he has introduced something NEW. Now I'am not a scientist, but iam a cannabist (i recently won 3rd place in the HighTimes med cannabis cup with my Bubba Kush) with over 150 harvests over my 23 year career. I do have some credentials in this field so I ask this. How did DJs lines get exposed to colchicine? Did he give his moms away then get them back after someone else did the treatments? Did he get seeds back after a friend made them using colchicine? Or did he obtain them from the indigenous peoples ( as he claims ) at their point of origin,and these native people treated them with crocus perhaps? I think Iam more confused then I was before. So as far as Iam to understand regarding the hair splitting of whether he "worked it out" or lessened the hermie traits in his lines what did he do exactly cause 40-60% of my 60 GrapeKrush seeds hermed on me. I even gave two packs away to a grower I respect to make sure it wasnt some stress they received in my rooms (i try not to form half assed opinions based on conjecture) but he also had the problem with hermies. So maybe testing $13 seeds is a little too much toask but I don't think it is. Your response AgD sounds like you are merely repeating things you have heard or read in forums, instead of actually providing me with facts that contest what my hypothesis states. Also wouldnt it be better to cut the lower apical stem as the plants viral fighting abilities are more effective towards the tips.?
 
Kyle,
Your funny, I like you! Also thanks for bad mouthing DJ's seed lines, really I mean it. Now there will always be plenty of DJ Short seeds for myself and my fanboy friends to buy more of, seeing as how they are always in high demand. I always hate seeing good genetics wasted on bad growers, you my friend are helping to keep these lines among the most daring and intelligent growers around.

I was not showing how to identify any pathogens, you are looking at the stomata(If you don't know what the term stomata means look it up. Ignorance is no excuse!), more specifically the guard cells around each individual stoma opening. Ok, if your with me so far, you will notice that many of the stomata that are in the mutated looking tissue are much larger then stomata on others leaves from the same plant and plants from separate lines. These enlarged guard cells at the stomata openings, are most likely the result of polyploidism. These enlarged gaurd cell will quite often look almost volcano like, as opposed to normal gaurd cells which have a much flatter appearance.

As to DJ Short's acquisition of seeds, I was under the impression that he obtained the seeds from the cannabis that was being imported into his area of Detroit in the 70's, and not directly from "the indigenous peoples ( as he claims ) at their point of origin" (can you back up this statement with a citation from a specific article by DJ Short himself?). I may have it wrong though as I had been smoking a bit of my F-13 mixed with his 4 year cured Flo when he was telling me this bit'o history! Kyle we obviously aren't going to agree about the origin of the crinkle and variegation, so can we just agree to disagree on this one topic and get on with being new found friends? Now with the Grape Krush the only problems I have had was a recent decline in germination rates. Out of 20 I just germinated only seven popped, but they are most likely 5+ years old . Counting those seven plus the 40 or so I have done in prior years I have only experienced nanners forming late in flower(week 6+) with no viable pollen or seeds being produced due to their appearance. So I guess we can agree to disagree on that one too, right?

Also, I repeat nothing I haven't verified with my own experience, I am the real deal! I went to college for this stuff(yup got me some book learnin, I did!), and had been actively working in the field of vegetable seed production for a large multi-national company(nasty people I tell ya!) until last year. Kyle, would be glad to continue this conversation in private at some point, where I will direct you to multiple scientific studies on chimeral variegation and polyploidism within horticultural and agronomic crops, and you can further educate me on this new virus. As to the method of introducing your supposed viral pathogen to uninfected plant material, the removal of meristematic above or below the wound makes no difference. Meristematic tissue has the same ability to combat pathogens as the rest of the plant, its ability to sometimes stay free of viruses is due to its ability to divide and multiply at a faster rate then the virus can replicate. If infected with a virus the plant tissues will show signs of infection within a few days to several weeks later depending on pathogen virility, host condition, and incubation temps, regardless of meristematic tissue removal. DJ's seed lines seem to be most confused(read variegation & crinkle) at rapid growth regions and on young foliage, with older leaves and branches calming down and developing a more normal appearance. This is the exact opposite of what one would expect to see with a standard viral infection where older leaves become more damaged over time with necrotic lesions forming on stems.

Hope some of this info has been helpful Kyle, if not just tell me to shove off and I will gladly head on back over to IC Mag to hang with the other DJ fanboys. AgD:confused:
 
Last edited:
Notes & Quotes : Part 4

Again, AgD, thank you for elaborating...I was aware that DJ has a well-educated following, and I do hope these two prestigious camps can see eye to eye...;)

Notes & Quotes

Dialing Your Plant In
"Any strain can be coaxed to be a producer. You just have to know how to dial them in."
-->up the PPM every clone generation - 3 generations because they tend to tolerate more

(Here DJ is saying it can take up to 3 clone generations to 'dial in' a plant. This was actually
an extensive conversation in which he said some strains might take only 2 generations to do
the same. He also said, to avoid stressing the plant/strain that it's better to up the PPM with
each clone generation, and not with each plant. This is his own personal philosophy on
'Dialing In A Plant' of any given strain. Hope this makes sense.)

"Sativas clone much easier than indicas, generally speaking."

"Indica seeds are difficult to sprout."
He pops them by hand.

11.5 on/12.5 off -->starting point for flowering photoperiods
(Note: I will never apply a 12/12 photoperiod to any of my plants ever again.
In his opinion, the standard 12/12 photoperiod provides a 'bland' finished product.)

Guppieponics/Aeroponics
African Coy(?) & Seaweed

Vibrational Medicine
Crystals affect water
Curlean(?) photography-->auras
If you remove someone's finger (or the blade of a fanleaf), it's aura still shows up in curlean(?) photography

Spice - a legal synthetic cannabinoid (recently illegal in Germany)

Syrian Rue(?) - enhances effects of cannabis, but is legal on it's own.

'Johnny Come Latelys' => CRAP
"Searching out those P1s is a crap shoot. You would need thousands of seeds."

1982 - good herb disappeared in the US
1986 - good hash disappeared in the US

"Soma got all his genetics from Eugene, Oregon."
"He doesn't have a good reputation."
"He's done some things that are not good."
"A good artist stole what a great artist created." (I hope I got this quote right!)

Fems
"I have never sampled any that interest me. They were always a step back from what I'm used to."

He's working on Blue Velvet and RoseBud.

OPT '82, '83 (Fantastic description of these genetics. Too much to write.)

Chimera

reversing males
reverse hermaphrodites
"I like using these in my breeding."
(I did not get a chance to ask him about this. I will the next time he offers a class. Sorry.)​

Maxicrop "That stuff is wonderful."
SuperThrive "Not organic anymore."

Yield vs Quality
"The only way that would interest me is if those big buds were of high quality. I would rather have less production and more quality."
"I don't want to be smoking PPMs/nutrients."

Q: Hormone Therapy (for or against)
A: It might be a useful tool for breeding.

24/0 Photoperiod
"I've seen this photoperiod wreak havoc on phenotypic expression."
This applies to clones too. All plants need rest. Keeping them under constant light is not natural or healthy for your plants.
(I will never use this photoperiod again. Thank you, DJ!)

Q: 5 days of darkness at the end of flowering to induce greater resin production?
A: Last few days are crucial. At least 24 hours of darkness before harvest. Don't water-->facilitates a faster cure.

Q: Have you ever tried grafting?
A: No, but I'm interested in it.

"One thing that has helped me a lot (with breeding) is keeping a daily journal."
"That, and a calendar."
 
Last edited:
In regards to f1's you wrote that he said you can cross any 2 f1 and get the same result. Basically stating the first selection doesn't matter? And only selections f2 and above do matter?
In light cycles 11.5 on etc did he give any rec on his strains or prefer one time for sativa and another for indica?

Thanks again! Where's the controversey?
 
Resinfinger said:
In regards to f1's you wrote that he said you can cross any 2 f1 and get the same result. Basically stating the first selection doesn't matter? And only selections f2 and above do matter?
In light cycles 11.5 on etc did he give any rec on his strains or prefer one time for sativa and another for indica?

Thanks again! Where's the controversey?
Click to expand...

Hey Resinfinger...please let me try and explain...:D

He wasn't saying you can cross any two F1s and get the same results...he was saying that because the F1 generation is uniform, any and all candidates can be used as part of the gene pool...therefor, looking for those subtle differences in F1s isn't as important...selection is not as crucial at this point...I believe that's why people do open pollenations on the first run (F1s)...if you include as many F1 genes as possible, it will affect the F2 generation in a positive way...it is in the F2 generation that you will begin to see the progeny that you want to be selecting for...therefor, selection in the F2s and beyond is more critical than selection of the F1s...think of the F1s more as P1s, or parent donors...by not selecting certain male or female F1s, you are theoretically avoiding genetic bottlenecking...in the creation of a strain, it is those pronounced expressions we are looking for, and these are found in the F2 generation and beyond...it is also in those stages that traits can be stabilized...at least, this is how I understand it...as far as photoperiod, he did not specify anything about his strains...he spoke in terms of individual phenotypes and tweaking to maximize the quality of the finished product...he's talking about coaxing sativa traits...hope this makes sense...let me know...jay:D
 
Thanks for clarifying jay....one would also assume you are working with f1's from 2 true p1's. I know some companies and people incorectly label any and all 1st crosses as f1 even if the parents were not stable.
 
Jay,
What DJ Short meant by that:

"If you remove someone's finger (or the blade of a fanleaf), it's aura still shows up in curlean(?) photography"

Thanks
 
madzonga said:
"If you remove someone's finger (or the blade of a fanleaf), it's aura still shows up in curlean(?) photography"
Click to expand...

I think the implication was that Kirlian photographs depict the "aura" of living things, and the presence of that "aura" somehow supports the theory of vibrational healing (where vibrations are applied to heal the aura).

"Kirlian made controversial claims that the image he was studying might be compared with the human aura. An experiment advanced as evidence of energy fields generated by living entities involves taking Kirlian contact photographs of a picked leaf at set periods, its gradual withering being said to correspond with a decline in the strength of the aura. However it may simply be that the leaf loses moisture and becomes less electrically conductive, causing a gradual weakening of the electric field at the drier edges of the leaf. In some experiments, if a section of a leaf was torn away after the first photograph, a faint image of the missing section would remain when a second photograph was taken. The Archives of American Art Journal of the Smithsonian Institution published a leading article with reproductions of images of this phenomenon. James Randi has suggested that this effect was due to contamination of the glass plates, which were reused for both the "before" and "after" photographs."
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
 
Kirlian Photography

madzonga said:
Jay,
What DJ Short meant by that:

"If you remove someone's finger (or the blade of a fanleaf), it's aura still shows up in curlean(?) photography"

Thanks
Click to expand...

I apologize, madzonga...I got the spelling wrong...these are my raw notes I'm giving you, so there might be a mistake or two along the way...DJ was talking about "energy fields generated by living entities" and he drew a comparison between the plant's loss of a fanblade with an amputee's loss of an extremity...:cool:

Kirlian Photography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
 
On Soma

Sensimilla13 said:
How accurate is this (the Eugene Oregon statememt)??? As Shanti has stated that he gave Soma some plants or seeds a long time ago...Unfortunately I believe that this last quote is all to common in the canna world!!!

I used to have a respect for Soma but from what I have learned over the past year or so is that he really only cares about money...and he might just be just above a pollen chucker. I have to admit, I use to be quite a fan of his "work", but then again, 10 years ago this information was not as easy to come by.

Thanks again Jay for the awesome effort to get this out to us all...respect!

Sensi13
Click to expand...

Those lines are direct quotes, Sensi...:cool:

I debated as to whether or not I would post his commentary on Soma, but his answer is recorded somewhere on tape...DJ was asked a direct question and he gave a direct answer...I did not see that coming...neither did the person who asked the question...I think I'm correct when I say most of the people attending the class were surprised...for clarification, DJ was not harsh or vicious in his assessment of Soma...he has a rather unique perspective on Soma and his comments are not only his feelings on the matter...apparently there are many people that feel the exact same way...I'd no idea Soma had burned so many bridges...jay:eek:

EDIT: DJ is talking about Soma's genetics pre-Shantibaba's gift...I do not doubt that Shanti gave him that Afghan-Hawaiian male to play with...;)
 
Last edited:
Notes & Quotes : Part 5

Thanks for the help, Mr. Smoketoomuch...nobody's perfect...:D

So there is no confusion, DJ never said that he personally had a problem with Soma, however, he did say that Soma's reputation in Oregon is not very good...:(

But just as DJ was reluctant to answer the question on Soma, I do not want to make this thread about Soma...;)

Notes & Quotes

November Bill in California
"We all need to support it."
"If and when it passes we're all going to get an even plateau on which to 'grow'."

The Market (Present and Future)
"The wholesale buying market is going to open up."
"I'm hearing horror stories from growers."
"They're lucky to be getting $1500-$2000 a pound."
"Why aren't we seeing a decrease (in pricing) on the retail side?"
"I'm hearing outdoor organic growers saying it costs them $1300 to produce a pound."
(We discussed the efficacy of the above statement.)

On The Current US System
With reference to the change that we are seeing in the US...
"When the beast is dying avoid it's teeth and tail."

On Marc Emery
"I respect his activism. I don't agree with his politic, but he has done a lot for 'the movement'."

IBL = F4 for the most part, depending on the strain

"The only time I wake 'n bake is when I'm doing R & D."

Neuropathy
"One of the things I breed out is neuropathy."
-->a warm tingling from your ears or in your extremities (fingers)
-->used to call it "wearing out the windows" (tight chest, irregular heartbeat, paranoia)
-->"I breed out heavy redeye/couchlock."

F13
600 plants grown outdoor in Canada
sexed - males removed
12 individuals selected (without sampling*)
4 individuals selected as P1 mothers:
True Blueberry, F13, OTMS, and one other (I missed the 4th P1 selected. Sorry.)
"I took one bong hit of that (F13), and within 5 to 10 seconds it hit me."
"It's a real bell ringer."

Recommended Reading
Mezz Mezzrow "Really the Blues"
New Orleans/Detroit/Harlem dealer
"Golden Leaf" - Mezz's term for cannabis
Sold to Louis Armstrong
"Lookin' for the mezz" - Became the universal term for 'looking for smoke'
"It's the book that launched the Beat Generation."

"If you really want to develop your palate...hash."

(Salmon Creek Big Bud was originally of Thai decent.)

Q: What's your story on OG?
A: It's not a Kush.

"My Vanilluna and Cocoa Kush look like Kushes."

Sweet Skunk?
"It's not sweet. It's not skunky. It's neither."
"The name game is funky."

Green Crack, Herijuana, Trainwreck-->these are cannabis names that he does not care for because they have negative connotations
"A train wreck brought on the War on Drugs."
-->'81 New Jersey, train conductor smoked, train wrecked, 7 people died

OG
"What OG originally stood for was Organically Grown."
"Then there's Original Gangsta." (He's got a great sense of humor!)
"Then I heard it means Ocean Grown."
"So, it was the Kush, or what they thought was the Kush, grown near the Ocean."
"Hence, OG Kush."
(Funny story the way he tells it!)​

"I do my nutes at 1/2 strength. I never use full strength."

"Femminization, like backcrossing, can cause genetic bottlenecking."

19.5 On, 4.5 Off-->His Male Light Regimen/Photoperiod (priceless info!)

"For doing a re-green project, I use Peter's. It's not organic. I use that at 1/3 strength."

"A shot of Peter's and SuperThrive will rejuvenate a plant."
 
Last edited:
jaybutta said:
He mentioned that he has been working on re-releasing Blue Velvet...Rose Bud and Azure Haze are also in the works...but no pure sativas, sorry...he said that he has not been able to source/find the Black Magic African, but if & when he does he will definitely work that line...his descriptions of that herb were incredible to say the least...he also said his plate is always full...he's always working on something, but no pure sativas...he talked more about the Highland Oaxaca Gold than the Colombian Gold, but he says that he is very close to being able to replicate the Highland Oaxaca Gold experience...his breeding goal seems to be to recreate the effects of the strains of yesteryear, and not to necessarily recreate the strains themselves...as I understand it, he always thinks in terms of moving forwards and creating something better/unique/different...moving backwards is not his thing...his goals are both clear & defined...jay:)
Click to expand...



first i like to thankyou very much for sharing your notes and soo much of dj's short's knowledge ,this is most appreciated very kind of you

He mentioned that he has been working on re-releasing Blue Velvet...Rose Bud and Azure Haze are also in the works
Click to expand...

a haze from dj short id lov too see that ,im very interested in the lineage id appreciate if you could find out ,id lov too see the black magic african aswell id love to hear more detail of the description if there is anything aside from the strains of yesteryear article


but no pure sativas...he talked more about the Highland Oaxaca Gold than the Colombian Gold, but he says that he is very close to being able to replicate the Highland Oaxaca Gold experience...
Click to expand...

im surprised he said he's not working with any pure sativas ,another note on how special the black african is ,the colombian /thai's/africans are the strains of yesteryear im most interested in i kno he quite familiar with them

id love for you too ask more about the incense trait that is soo dear to my heart ,dj short's strains of yesteryear article is in my favorites i always reference that article i lov it ,dj short has used the incense description more than most too describe the strains in that article it seems hes's quite familiar with thetrait but none of his strains are noted for it ,wen you say he is close to producing the Highland Oaxaca Gold experience does this include the spicy cedar incense trait ?

im interested to kno his opinion on the frankincense trait particularly which he uses to describe colombian gold ,if this is his only experience with frankincense or has he tasted this in any other strains such as thai varieties ?

id also lov to kno if he has experienced any incense traits in thai varieties?

one thing i noted in his mapping the palate article in ed rosenthal's big book of buds was the funeral description this is unique and not used by any other i believe ,id love to kno where this trait is found wat it's used to describe in his experience ,becaz funeral's in the catholic church use frankincense is this related or is it more toward a floral trait ?


1luvbigherb
 
Resinfinger said:
Thanks for clarifying jay....one would also assume you are working with f1's from 2 true p1's. I know some companies and people incorectly label any and all 1st crosses as f1 even if the parents were not stable.
Click to expand...

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner...I would agree with your assumption...if we begin with quality F1 stock, then we should have nothing to worry about...jay;)
 
bigherb said:
first i like to thankyou very much for sharing your notes and soo much of dj's short's knowledge ,this is most appreciated very kind of you

a haze from dj short id lov too see that ,im very interested in the lineage id appreciate if you could find out ,id lov too see the black magic african aswell id love to hear more detail of the description if there is anything aside from the strains of yesteryear article

im surprised he said he's not working with any pure sativas ,another note on how special the black african is ,the colombian /thai's/africans are the strains of yesteryear im most interested in i kno he quite familiar with them

id love for you too ask more about the incense trait that is soo dear to my heart ,dj short's strains of yesteryear article is in my favorites i always reference that article i lov it ,dj short has used the incense description more than most too describe the strains in that article it seems hes's quite familiar with thetrait but none of his strains are noted for it ,wen you say he is close to producing the Highland Oaxaca Gold experience does this include the spicy cedar incense trait ?

im interested to kno his opinion on the frankincense trait particularly which he uses to describe colombian gold ,if this is his only experience with frankincense or has he tasted this in any other strains such as thai varieties ?

id also lov to kno if he has experienced any incense traits in thai varieties?

one thing i noted in his mapping the palate article in ed rosenthal's big book of buds was the funeral description this is unique and not used by any other i believe ,id love to kno where this trait is found wat it's used to describe in his experience ,becaz funeral's in the catholic church use frankincense is this related or is it more toward a floral trait ?


1luvbigherb
Click to expand...

I like your enthusiasm, bigherb...:D

I'll ask him as many questions as he will let me...it may take some time, but I should be able to get the answers to a few of your questions...DJ spoke of the African Black Magic a couple of times...when he talks of that cannabis, he's mostly talking about the effect...he described it as an almost instant change in reality...like walking into another world...he compared it to a substance that's supposedly ten times stronger than LSD (I forget the name)...lucid, vivid, instant alternate reality...very trippy sh-t...he said he spoke to a guy who came across it once and he had virtually the same experience with that smoke that DJ had...Short said it might be originally from Kenya, and perhaps to start there if you're looking for it...he's had his eyes and ears open for quite some time and he can't seem to source any beans...he actually encourages people to try to find the genetics themselves...whatever that plant is, it's off the charts as far as sativas go...well worth the hunt, according to him...when I say he's not working with any pure sativas, I mean he's not working on releasing any pure sativas...he's probably working with all kinds of pure sativas somewhere...he knows sativas like the back of his hand...listening to him talk about them is poetry, I swear...I highly doubt he's ever not worked with almost purely sativas...I could be wrong, but that's my feeling on him...he works on releasing plants that other people can grow, but that share characteristics/expressions of those old strains we all love so much...think of his work along the lines of Shanti/Neville creating practical haze hybrids...his plate is full at all times, so I think we're talking loads of projects all going on at the same time...Rose Bud is an old popular variety but is more along the lines of personal headstash as it does not yield very well...I do not know the genetics of that plant but I can ask...Azure Haze, and I'm not sure if he's releasing this or his son is, is a cross of a stellar SSH cut he/they have (which DJ speaks very highly of) with a Blueberry male...he said he was going to call it Sapphire Haze, but he thought that would be too confusing...I know he likes the name Azure...I like that name too...sounds good to me...hope this helps...jay:)
 
Blue Dream

For those of you wondering what a SSH Blueberry cross looks like, I encourage you to look for a strain called Blue Dream...there was some available at the class, and let me tell you it was cream of the crop...I have grown and smoked Blue Dream, and as far as I know it's only available in clone form...having it in seed form, or anything close to it, would be fantastic...one of the best strains I have ever come across...quality smoke with a clear, up high...perfect for taking notes...jay:D
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top