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rolo ishtar

rolo ishtar

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Hello fellow gardeners

Like many, I mainly grow haze crosses with the odd indica for the evening. I have this batch of Mk cross seeds that i’ve been using for years ( I like kush), but lately I was thinking of some diversity on this side of the fence.
After some time reading through the threads, I feel the hole is just getting deeper . I know it isn’t that deep… still, I would have to cross to The Dark Side to get acquainted to its mysteries ..
By now , I’ve got my hands on Shit, Mk/Sk and Nl5/Sk , yet the pull is getting stronger… Devil, Nordle ,G13’s are calling me.
Can you please decipher these mermaids for me ? How are they different ? Are there standouts ?Some strong/weak points? …Character even?..
Is it even worth the fuss ?
 
@rolo ishtar you might get more tailored answers if you told us what you are looking for and what your physiology likes and how it responds. Any flavors or aromas you especially like and or dislike, how loud does it need to be, are you looking for muscle relaxation, something that blocks nerve pain, funtional alert body high or a state of blissful unawareness while you sink underneath an increasingly large pile of chemical orange cheeto dust? Do u want an indica that puts u to sleep if so which ones currently do that for you, if not, please elaborate.

Anyways, I second the Medicine Man and Masterkush Skunk. Medicine Man was an understanded herbal flavor with lots of delicate heads that drift away like fresh snow at the lightest touch. Perfect for extractions. Here is a finished nug.
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Masterkush Skunk will give a much more upfront and often pungent flavor and aroma and is louder. It will run the gamut from sweaty gym socks to creamy cappucinnos and anywhere between. I found even heavily seeded bonsai sized samples to fully relax, have a lingering flavor, and help with pain.

As for g13, I have tried Shantibabas unreleased G13HzAC. Very nice! It uses his reaquired G13 and his HzAC stud. I can't comment much on the f1's as they weren't run nor dried and cured properly. They all had sharp gassy bergamot aromas though. I did a test batch of f2 from the lowest yielding but loudest and most astringent female and her f2 were surprisingly locked in. Like the MKS the f2 even fully seeded are potent. Here is the f2 of G13HzAC.
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Critical Mass could be a good option if you like hashy flavored large dense buds. I did a bonsai grow that got seeded and didn't flower long enough and I was surprised how much it morphed after a few months. I didn't expect much but this can put me to sleep, sorta like GDP. Critical Mass is supposed to be a parent of GDP, so that makes sense. The Crit had more oomph and the flavor and aroma morphed more than I had expected.
 
It's hard to offer advice on many of these as they are by nature not locked in and quite variable. The G13 crosses are the only ones that have been stabilized to any degree. By this I mean the pheno's I have tried may not be the sought after ones or indeed the good ones. So my advise is a bit skewed. Whatever the case, you will have to search for the variety and pheno that work for you. Also, unfortunately, just because it's not in the first pack doesn't mean it's not in that variety. If it was me, i would start looking through what you have already. It's easy to want more than you need in this area. Trust me I know. From my experience Critical Mass or Medicine Man would be my choice if you were to re-order. Grab two packs of each. Stay safe.
 
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Diesel840 said:
Do u want an indica that puts u to sleep if so which ones currently do that for you, if not, please elaborate.
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Hi D and thanks for the reply .
I like sleepy , muscle relaxing , but also euphoric, hell I think I like them all, just can tell which is which.
Just like Uncle Jack said , phenotype is tricky bussines… so hard to pinpoint stuff ; but characteristics still apply to strains.
I’ll definitely try MedMad and CM.
I’ve got 2 MkSk and 3 Nl5Sk seedlings going atm , as a start.
Any info on the Shit -Nordle-Devil trio ? How would they compare to one another ? I mean .., it seems a straight line from Skunk to Afghan with different stops , yet people are of different opinions.
And another comparison for you .., Ortega and Nl5Afg … wtf ? ..They SEEM the same …
The thing I’m most interested in is Effect , with flavour coming second.
Any sketchy map will do.

I thank You, fine gentlemen , for putting up and providing such info.
 
rolo ishtar said:
Any info on the Shit -Nordle-Devil trio ? How would they compare to one another ? I mean .., it seems a straight line from Skunk to Afghan with different stops , yet people are of different opinions.
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Shit is not Skunk crossed with an Afghan, it is skunk crossed with an Afghan dominant pure Skunk. So, more indica than some Skunks, but still not a heavy indica. I have never tried pure Shit, just a hybrid. It was Shit crossed with Afghan Haze, which I loved! It had a sweet tarts and papaya flavor and aroma. Great for festivals or rallies but would give me a early afternoon or midafternoon nap if i wasn't careful. Pretty much everything I have tried with Shantis Afghan was amazing! They all inherited this trait, where the trichomes sit on long brittle stalks making them just beg to be made in hash!
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rolo ishtar said:
And another comparison for you .., Ortega and Nl5Afg … wtf ? ..They SEEM the same …
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Ortega is Shantis representation of the original Northern Lights Chemovar. He selected it from the raw seedpool that Nevil originally found his lines, which basically all Northern lights were based off of. This is Shantis selection from the same genetic pool that Nevil selected from, so there may be plants that you prefer or not, but it is two lines of pure Northern Lights. As for how they differ, yes Afghan was surely used in the original breeding of Northern Lights, but crossing back into a Afghan is a far different beast than a pure Afghan or a pure NL. Nl5 was Nevils favorite indica to blend with becuase it added resin, classic indica nug structure, and shortened a sativas flowering time while allowing the sativas effect and flavor profile to shine through. I believe that Shanti is using his own selected NL5, from the original nl5 seed pool Nevil selected from, so it might not behave 100% like nevils. I know nevil said nl5 bred with a pure indica didnt pop as much as outcrossed and people preffered the sativa/indica crosses vs pure indica, but I've read really good things about Shantis Nl5Afg. If u want a broad spectrum with more varried indica phenos to select for, go for the Nl5Afg. If you want a pure representation of Northern Lights select Ortega, I think it uses NL2 & NL5. Just be aware that the f1 of Ortega likes to throw nanners if her lower skirts aren't cleaned up and if you try to flower them from seed. I have read on here that the f2's seem to be less 🍌 prone. I have both in my stash. Even with a few 🍌 reports, I can't wait to eventually try my hand at some Ortega! It's probably more stable than most of these modern dessert varieties, nowadays.

Btw, I have heard that Nordle is devestating, taste and smells great, and does wonders for medicinal treatment of pain.
rolo ishtar said:
I’ve got 2 MkSk and 3 Nl5Sk seedlings going atm , as a start.
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Let us know how these turn out! I'm sure you'll get some nice plants. I feel like the gear here has the perfect amount and type of variability, one would want. The Masterkush Skunk I grew were all really quick flowerers, had a unifying sweaty gymsock and Body Odor aroma, and were potent even if mostly or fully seeded. I had one that tasted like strait up creamy cappucinnos! Hmmm. 🤤🤤🤤🤤☕️☕️☕️☕️🍁
 
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rolo ishtar said:
What do you think the closest thing MNS has to pure Afghan ? NL5/Afg ?
Or for that mater .. the purest indica ?
I think Neville said pure indicas are pretty low life , so they do need some crossing to get them pumped up…
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Nl5Afghan is one of the only pure indicas that's on the lineup. As far as I know, it's only Nordle or Nl5Afg if you want a 100% pure Indica. Even though Indica genetics dominate the scene, there actually aren't many options industry wide for pure anything, be it Sativa or Indica. If you want a Mr. Nice pure indica that is heavy in the afghan, go for the Nl5Afghan.

Full desclosure, I haven't grown out either Ortega nor Nl5Afg. So I can't personally comment on them. Someone else would have to chime in. I've never grown Nordle either, but I have both the reguler and the cbd version in the freezer. I have read great things and Shanti recomended it.

I think that your MKS and Nl5Skunk are great starts! You can always run a pure Indica next round, if you don't decide to delve deeper. And don't discount Medicine Man. It was part of my first Mr. Anoce grow and it seemed very stable, was frosted, had an understated old school flavor, and was simply... very enjoyable. If you brought them to f2s you could always look for Afghan dominant plants, throwbacks to the father. It would be far easier to nail a more pure afghan in the f2 with Medicine Man or Afghan Haze than with Nl5Afghan. Just saying 😉

Sorry for rambling on 😅
 
So far I have found Shit to be quite uniform in how it grows but have only popped four beans so far, and that was quite a while ago.
The biggest difference in the shit pheno's is the terps and the effect. As I have mentioned before on here, Nevil used Shit or (Skunk #1) as his daytime smoke so if you find a good one you have a winner for life.... he harvested early by most peoples standards as well at around day 40-42.
I can confirm that these plants peak early with their smells and readyness for harvest. Unfortunately i let mine go too long and conversion to CBN had occurred, the smoke suffered for it unfortunately and at the time i didn't pick up on what i was doing wrong so i tossed them.
There were amongst them like the name says either shit smells or sweet smells. Not sure where the keeper lies but i think we can assume its is in the funky shit smelling ones by how it has been named. I intend to go back and start some more of these as I threw mine out without giving them due consideration.
 
Fish said:
Nl5/afghan isn’t a pure indica. Because Nl5 isn’t pure Afghan.
Nordle is essentially super skunk, in a way. Skunk is not pure indica either.
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Pure indica doesn't exist, because even in India—such as with Malana or Parvati strains—there are sativa genetics present. People often speak of Afghan strains as indicas, which is completely incorrect.

a good link here

landrace.blog

Indicas, Afghanicas, & the Species Controversy in Cannabis

NOTE: A week or so before I posted this to the blog, John McPartland and Ernest Small’s new taxonomy for Cannabis was published without my having realized. It’s essential reading. But t…
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Diesel840 said:
I think that your MKS and Nl5Skunk are great starts! You can always run a pure Indica next round, if you don't decide to delve deeper.
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Yeah , I hope I’ll do em right.
These “pure” indicas … Afg, Mk, NL, G13 when crossed with Skunk produce some Mojo.. Nordle, MkSk, Shiva , G13Sk… Which in turn , crossed with Haze ….
(My Cure plants look stellar, can’t wait to sssample … They made me very curios about Nordle.)
And then there is the backing of those Mojos to their original indica parent… You get … from what I understand … Voodoo… things like Devil.
And then cross that Voodoo to haze…You get into Jack Herer territory.
 
Sorry if i went off topic with my last post but just to make it worse, I also forgot to mention that Shit is the most forgiving plant to grow.
Almost impossible to kill and never complains about anything. It's truly remarkable shit!
For anyone starting out or building their skills, Shit is a good place to start, I shit you not.
 
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