SSH and Mango Haze are pedigree breeds incorporating both sides of Haze A and Haze C combinations....in their breeding

[Vlad the Inhaler]

well if a scammer can produce seeds that produce platns that are as good or better than shanti's, then that scammer should start up a seedbank dont you think?

i thought you were interested in talking about this topic but i see you have some axe to grind.
but its not with me buddy.
are you sad that you didnt get your hands on these genetics yet?
id be happy to make seeds and send them in to shanti to give as freebies.

I don't have any axe to grind.

But you've managed to ignore a huge amount of legit questions, and are now PRETENDING my motivation is personal.

No, Jack, I'm not sad that I don't have access to your genetics.

Pretty weak-sauce deflection there, though.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

also would be interesting for a scammer to send out a bunch of seeds that germinate well, consistent to type and description of parents, all sorts of long flowering sativa types...lots of people just sitting around with those waiting to scam people with

Jack, I'm not sure you have s problem with comprehension or you are just playing stupid.

The issue isn't with quality at all.

You have no proof the jeans come from where you say they are from, but you are spouting their creation story as fact.

What was that about misrepresentation again??

 

[jack hairy]

no one has any proof that any genetics come from anywhere. how are you going to prove that? trek out there and take a selfie with the wild weed you found? even tehn, how does anyone know that the seeds you sold them came from that weed you found?
you are the one trying to question the authenticity of the gnetics, and i have provenance through nevil and kanga.
all i have is the names and descriptions they gave for these plants. but at least they gave the exact name or designation for the two parents, except in the case where it was a mix of pollen.

so you can say what you want, but i didnt make up the names.
take it up with nevil or kanga.

 

[jack hairy]

im not ignoring any questions for you, its just that you are asking questions that i have no way to prove to your satisfaction because you will just question the authenticity of anything through anyone.

 

[jack hairy]

just as with shanti's strains, we read info about them and repeat that info when asked about it by others.
someone gives us bad info, then that bad info spreads.
thats why i prefer good and correct info.

are you aware of any bad info put out there by nevil or kangativa?

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

im not ignoring any questions for you, its just that you are asking questions that i have no way to prove to your satisfaction because you will just question the authenticity of anything through anyone.

So when I ask you do you feel stupid, running your yap about all your fake mullum genetics you are holding, the answer is clearly no.

Can I ask you another question then, please.

Are you too stupid to feel stupid?
Haha

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

just as with shanti's strains, we read info about them and repeat that info when asked about it by others.
someone gives us bad info, then that bad info spreads.
thats why i prefer good and correct info.

are you aware of any bad info put out there by nevil or kangativa?

Not at all mate.
Bad info/bull shit sticks out like dog's balls.

Unless you want to believe that much, that the truth doesn't really matter.

Or you are that simple you believe everything you read.

Simple Jack.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

Hey Jack, you want to buy some seeds I got.

Some Red Congo/SSH f1 I've got.

They are from a secret project where Reeferman and Nevil worked together. Everyone is speaking about it.

The RC was actually Reef's personal cut, the one that went to Europe in 2007 as John Sinclair/RC.
The male is from Nev's work in early 90's from when he lived at the cannabis castle. I heard he kept it alive as a clone, in a cigarette packet he used to carry around in his shirt pocket. Just in case he needed some pollen.

I'll give you a real good deal on them.

 

[Growstone]

I believe
the children are our future

 

[jack hairy]

i believe kanga had some sort of sativa that may have been a Thai/Colombian hybrid that he called mullumbimby madness and that i have some of that mixed with other things, yes...

what is mullumbimby madness?
are you disputing the pics that were posted of MM were actually MM?
what does the name matter, if it was an acceptable level of quality vouched for by nevil and kanga and many others that came into contact with those genetics or sent them genetics to work with.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

i believe kanga had some sort of sativa that may have been a Thai/Colombian hybrid that he called mullumbimby madness and that i have some of that mixed with other things, yes...

what is mullumbimby madness?
are you disputing the pics that were posted of MM were actually MM?
what does the name matter, if it was an acceptable level of quality vouched for by nevil and kanga and many others that came into contact with those genetics or sent them genetics to work with.

If names and FANTASTIC back stories don't matter, if it is truly just down to quality of genetics, then I agree.

Little ironic that that is exactly what so many people said to you, for ages, as you humped on about Shanti's integrity.

So what does that say about you integrity?

You are not a subtle fella, are you?

 

[jack hairy]

i really dont know what exactly you are referring to as to me "humped on about shanti's integrity".

seems like you are the one doing that in the nhs thread.

who are these "so many people" that said whatever it is you think was said to me?
care to clarify the point you are trying to make?
this cat and mouse is entertaining, but i dont know that anyone is learning anything from this exchange.

 

[jack hairy]

you seem to forget, i dont really care what shanti lines are.
i want them to be as good as they can be, and to know what they are at that point.
do i care too much if any original stuff was lost?
not if he was able to breed and do a good job to reproduce whatever variety he offers.

last time i ran NH, i had 5 plants. 2 males which i used in crosses, and 3 females.
1 female would probably be considered excellent, one was 80 day dense hay, and one was a hermy.
This time with NH, i dont see any hermys yet, 1 80 day hay pheno, and 5+ females that look nice but maybe not excellent.
i would believe they are what shanti says they are.
i just need to look through more.
the question is, do i have to look through more original seeds,
or would f2's be able to throw out exceptional plants still even if one or both of the parents werent in particular?

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

i really dont know what exactly you are referring to as to me "humped on about shanti's integrity".

seems like you are the one doing that in the nhs thread.

who are these "so many people" that said whatever it is you think was said to me?
care to clarify the point you are trying to make?
this cat and mouse is entertaining, but i dont know that anyone is learning anything from this exchange.

Yes, I will clarify.
As you are clearly acting simple to deflect, or you are as dumb as dog shit.

You have many times requested Shanti edit this whole board, to satisfy your view of truth.

You have questioned his and MNS integrity, repeatedly.

You can't justify this, so you defer, and attempt to deflect.
You are the definition of a CAPRICIOUS FLAKE.
Now, saying who really cares bout truth.
Let the genetics talk for them self.

There is no cat and mouse.
Just you playing both sides of the field, without the self awareness or dignity to work out that you are wrong.

 

[jack hairy]

well, im not dumb and im not acting, so your evaluation of reality is already off on the wrong foot.

yes, i have tried to bring to attention any errors or try to clarify information.
what is wrong with that?it is not to satisfy "my view of the truth", it is to find out the actuall truth in the face of inconsistancies or possible errors.
i dont hold it against anyone to make an error.
but if errors are found, it is silly to not improve things by eliminating them.

you try to insult me, but it is just showing your true personality.
i suggest you dont waste any more of your time conversing with me if i am such a bad person.

i really dont think shanti needs any help defending himself,
what makes you think you need to act this way on his behalf?
you are bringing a lot more negativity into the situation than there ever was to begin with.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

id prefer not to here, too many negative people around.
although we are here to talk about cannabis, sometimes these companies favor brand image and reputation over free speech and knowledge.

but nevil got some NH seeds from shanti from 03 and made some crosses with a bunch of stuff.

Here's an extra one....
......just don't give it to your children.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

well, im not dumb and im not acting, so your evaluation of reality is already off on the wrong foot.

yes, i have tried to bring to attention any errors or try to clarify information.
what is wrong with that?it is not to satisfy "my view of the truth", it is to find out the actuall truth in the face of inconsistancies or possible errors.
i dont hold it against anyone to make an error.
but if errors are found, it is silly to not improve things by eliminating them.

you try to insult me, but it is just showing your true personality.
i suggest you dont waste any more of your time conversing with me if i am such a bad person.

i really dont think shanti needs any help defending himself,
what makes you think you need to act this way on his behalf?
you are bringing a lot more negativity into the situation than there ever was to begin with.

You just want to make out it's personal.
Its about my feelings.
We don't have free speech in Australia.
We just call out bull shit artists.

It's true Shanti doesn't need my help defending himself against you.

He apparently chooses to ignore you.

Is that why you keep running this same petty shit over so many threads?

If you didn't care you would of given up years ago.

Like Shanti appears to have

 

[Growstone]

I learnt a little, enjoying convo too but I like battlerap... note to self, Vlad can make you look like a tool, maybe keep any disagreements away from him lol

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

I learnt a little, enjoying convo too but I like battlerap... note to self, Vlad can make you look like a tool, maybe keep any disagreements away from him lol

Only look like a tool if you are one, bro.
Let's keep it positive, I got no prob going down that path, everytime.cheers

 

[jack hairy]

you say i keep running this same petty shit over so many threads, but what exactly is your complaint about what i have said, and why do you take it so personal?

you are the one saying shanti doesnt even have any f1's when he says he sells f1s.

given up years ago about what?

again, the only issue ive ever had with mns was a pollen sale and now this germination issue. when have i ever said anything else bad about shantis work?