SSH and Mango Haze are pedigree breeds incorporating both sides of Haze A and Haze C combinations....in their breeding

between motivation time and the grail thats 500 pages to read through.
but i started.
you forget most of it after all this time.

and nevil said right there in the beginning what he planned to do, and what i think needs to be done, use NH as the male and cross to something else good.
but i dont think he had the time or seed to make a proper good male selection, so he used the females from the haze in most situations.
sire line and all that, haze needs to be on the male side if not both.

i didnt remember THH and OH being in the running, i wonder what happened to that?
i can try some OH x NH soon.
or maybe C5/punto rojo x NH or C5/OH x NH
 
Yeah, thanks.
I'm hoping you can find nev talking about him breeding that project In Australia.
Someone could of counterfeit/stooged them otherwise.
Just receiving a package from Australia from someone calling themselves nev doesn't mean too much, though.
 
well, nevil gave me his email and i communicated with him through there.
if you think that nevil wasnt legit, then everything on this site posted by nevil isnt legit.
theres plenty of talk about all those strains, if you read the grail thread how do you not remember?
 
No Jack, I didn't say Nev wasn't legit.
I just asked if you can show that Nev was involved in your NH/MM.

You said that you can find Nev talking hypothetically about using NH males in breeding.

Have you got anywhere he talks about khanga's MM also?

I'm not being cheeky. It's just I know how upset you get when people post misinformation on this site.

I've often wondered how legit that breeding was.
You know how it goes mate, some people spread a rumour, then everyone believes the legend as fact.

I'd love to know it's real, if I didn't respect Nev, I wouldn't be chatting to you now, gaining your knowledge.

I hope another member may be able to corroborate.
It's all good mate, I'd just like to see how legit it all is.
 
Old school breeders are meant to be RM on the down low.
They reckon reefs still involved.
But their Willie Nelson is now a CBD strain. Their web site doesn't have high production values, And they haven't been able to develop any of Reef's stock to any higher level.
I'd love to believe that they r legit, cos I have a couple of reef's old stuff in crosses.
I don't believe that they are who they claim they are, even though they have a library of his old stuff.
Reeferman is an interesting guy, with his racial supremacist past, and the criminal charges for the bomb and all.
But he had some great shit there for a while. Just couldn't seem to hold a business together.
Cheers
 
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No Jack, I didn't say Nev wasn't legit.
I just asked if you can show that Nev was involved in your NH/MM.

You said that you can find Nev talking hypothetically about using NH males in breeding.

Have you got anywhere he talks about khanga's MM also?

I'm not being cheeky. It's just I know how upset you get when people post misinformation on this site.

I've often wondered how legit that breeding was.
You know how it goes mate, some people spread a rumour, then everyone believes the legend as fact.

I'd love to know it's real, if I didn't respect Nev, I wouldn't be chatting to you now, gaining your knowledge.

I hope another member may be able to corroborate.
It's all good mate, I'd just like to see how legit it all is.
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Yeah, it was kind of weird when Nevil left MNS, a few strains popped right up and I couldn't find out for sure they where Nevil's work or just someone using his name. This Rimmeo guy who used to be a member here was trying to sell seeds as Nevil's work, dude had a list of like 40+ strains, we got into it a little because I didn't believe him and he wouldn't show pictures of the seed packs. Lol, needless to say a lot of people got ripped off and apologized for taking his side. Lol

I did see another seedbank selling Nevil and Reeferman genetics back then too, but I'm pretty sure I heard that was a scam too, almost think Reeferman said so himself, not too sure. The other place where I believe was at least somewhat legit was THC Farmer (could be wrong) but I was never able to find out if Nevil himself sent in any of his actual work. Not too mention those strains where not available for years, I was definitely interested in them, but after all the scammers you didn't hear anything until Bushweed brought them back.

I'm almost thinking it was all a scam, I mean shit there was a guy claiming to be Nevil on Rollitup, using old posts of his from here, he almost had us convinced, but either me or someone else caught on that he was just copying and pasting Nevil's posts. Lol

Plus the only thing I seen him actually get involved in (with proof) after the announcement of leaving MNS was some Asian Pharmaceutical company for medical marijuana.
 
jack hairy said:
ok here we go.

nevil sent me seeds directly from australia the first order.
subsequesnt orders came through a guy known as rimmeo.
rimmeo then turned shady and screwed nevil and people who paid for seeds.
so that went south fast.
some people got some stuff, and later rimmeo may have sent fake stuff out when it was going south.
so some people were lucky to get some of the seeds.

for a while it seemed like talk of the grail work was taboo.
it involvs NH from mns circa 03, so i dont see why it should be a problem.
just goes to show what can be done with mns NH.

there was some shady business between nevil and kanga and they had a falling out.
but the mm was something nevil got from kanga.
afterwards theres rumors that kanga didnt give nevil his best stuff.
really sucks when people dont cooperate fully, maybe things could have been even better. just like if nevil and shanti were on good terms, nevil could have used known good haze cuts bred to other things, instead i feel he was in a rush and didnt give it his full effort. maybe it just takes time to make the stuff and go through it and determine the best to go forward with. we were all so impatient and wanted seed then, we didnt want to wait years to try for ourselves

ive never heard of pre 90s northern river haze. what do you know about it and what does it have to do with any of this?

i have NH21 x MMs as nevil labeled them. others call it emm or mm early
NH35 x mms
i didnt find anything i liked in NH23 x mms.

there was jims hawaiian x nh 07 mix, which i liked a lot. i dont know who the father was but something in there was pretty special. lost in a bust. along with the g13 from jim, my first selection of NH, the first MH and MS5 i tried to grow...:(

MS5 is the late flowering MML, crossed to super 5. super 5 is nl5/afghan x nl5/skunk.
i would assume straight from mns seeds. one of the best plants ive seen in recent years came through this line. crossed to black kush then crossed to my 21m male(nh21xmms)

i have NH x kariba, but its mostly NH dominant so i need to cross it and work it to bring out something else.

i grew NH35 x kangativas 04 sativa. some really good plants in there, the first three i saw were all lost in that same bust. the next ones i found werent quite as good and i thought too similar to the 35xmm so i let them go.

i have mullumbimby madness x oaxacan. im not sure which mm was used and if it was the male of female. i want to say it is mm male and oax female but its generally nicknamed mox.

i dont know anything about nevil transfering any genetics to shanti. nevil wanted to use seed he made himself, and older the better just so he knows they were original parents cause he made them himself. i dont know what happened there exactly, but he couldnt get the seeds he wanted from shanti and got seeds from 03 instead.

since nevil and shanti werent working together in the end, the best i could do is make C5 x NH21/mms. havent grown them yet.
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So basically, Jack, you have no way to confirm that your MM is in anyway legit, except it is called that by a guy who you say is a dodgy fella, and the stuff you have wasn't even his best stuff?

Hmm.. mullum madness is a pretty hyped name.
I wonder if someone would try and counterfeit it, to stooge people with the hype.
 
You going to believe a lying scumbag white supremist? Any word the dog says? All deserve a second chance, rather give others a chance before giving scum a second... He would say anything to get you dollars.. oldschoolba, had Nevils pricing, lol, probably legit and wouldn't give scum his money so he lies and says fake. Who would know with scum involved...
 
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Hey Grow.
What do you mean man?
No one is testing anything that Reeferman is saying.
I do not believe racist trash over anyone. (form one planet)
But what Reef does n doesn't say isn't what's going on here.

I've got his Petrolia Headstash in a cross, a couple of crosses with his Santa Marta Gold and also a few croses with his Red Congo/John Sinclair.
In a true bit of irony, one of the Red Congo crosses is bred from a really well performing SSH male. (selected from MNS stock.)
But my Red Congo/SSH f1 is not bred by either Reeferman or Nevil, haha.

Kind of funny isn't it though, don't you think ??

Jack Hairy spends so much time hacking on Shanti, about honesty, integrity proving his breeding, MISREPRESNTATION AND TRUTH etc. Yet he is apparently running a shit tonne of counterfeit crap, with no proof the stuff is anything at all that it is claimed to be.

The effort he spends putting Shanti on the spot, over pedantic nitpicks, and then believes some scammer's back story, as if it was gospel, AND THEN RUNS AROUND SPOUTING THE SCAM AS TRUTH...

From where I am from (1971), that's some pretty funny shit right there.
Cheers
 
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and again, i dont know how long rimmeo sent out legit stuff and when it went south, but most of the strains i got came directly from nevil.
i got some through rimmeo too early on and they seemed legit as well.

if you want to act like it was a scam, thats fine. doesnt bother me. scammed me into some fine genetics.

i dont "spend so much time" doing anything, ive always had good experiences with shanti and mns except for when he sent bunk ac pollen out to the wrong person first and i had to wait almost a year to get mine, and then when it did come it was bunk. and now these auction packs with poor germination. other than that i have no bad experiences with mns to complain about. all ive ever said is the truth and if the truth sounds a bit negative to any of you reading than that is from your perspective.
 
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jack hairy said:
its plenty legit, these seeds leeked out through other sources too.
now bushweed i hear is selling some of these strains.

but i found a few pics starting on page 177-178

https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/4345-grail-ultimate-haze-hybrid-177.html
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Hey Jack.
Did you miss the bit where YOU say khanga is a dodgy scammer??
Or the bit where YOU say he didn't even breed off his best stuff?
Did you miss the bit where the only connection to Mullum, apparently, is that is the name the scammer used to hype his crap.
Did you miss the bit where YOU are running a tonne of Khanga' derived lines, with nothing but his word they are legit?
You not seeing any irony in all this?

You know how serious you are about uncovering misrepresentation and all.
 
jack hairy said:
and again, i dont know how long rimmeo sent out legit stuff and when it went south, but most of the strains i got came directly from nevil.
i got some through rimmeo too early on and they seemed legit as well.

if you want to act like it was a scam, thats fine. doesnt bother me. scammed me into some fine genetics.

i dont "spend so much time" doing anything, ive always had good experiences with shanti and mns except for when he sent bunk ac pollen out to the wrong person first and i had to wait almost a year to get mine, and then when it did come it was bunk. and now these auction packs with poor germination. other than that i have no bad experiences with mns to complain about. all ive ever said is the truth and if the truth sounds a bit negative to any of you reading than that is from your perspective.
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Too true you don't know how long Rimeo was scamming people.
Most likely from the beginning.

Don't you feel stupid though??
Saying you don't care where the genetics come from, as long as they are good.

How many years have you been humping threads about Shanti not revealing 100% of his breeding secrets, to your satisfaction?

Like if you don't really care, truly, would you have posted so much about the integrity standard set by Shanti and MNS.
 
To be honest, if Shanti even tried to explain the intricacies of his line breeding, he would probably be misunderstood by 19 from 20 people at least.
In another thread, when I mentioned using c5 males, it blew your mind, and you thought I was talking about female breeding.

If Shanti told you his shit, you really think you could even follow, Jack??
 
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yes, i think i could. nothing he has ever said has been all that complicated in content, only in comprehension of his meaning.
look at all these hazes, what has been done in 30 years?
its certainly great to provide the originals for everyone.
but dont act like it was that much work, a lot of it was done by nevil.
but most people would hold the original cuts at a higher value than anything decended from them. why is that? no one has bred the haze successfully enough to bring out that high level of quality that is in there to a high enough percentage that you dont need to look through 20+ females. maybe haze will never be bred to that consistency.
first off, C5 is C5, nothing else. you want to find similar and related stuff in related lines, thats fine. but its not C5 so dont say it is, ok? thats misrepresentation.

second, i just read the quote from shanti where he says he has no secrets in breeding.
so dont act like he needs any ok.

even some of the most basic breeders dont make some of the mistakes that shanti has allowed on information about his plants. its ok with me if thats how he wants it, but he may not know that some people would like more detailed information unless we let him know that these mistakes are not a positive thing.

where did i say kanga was a scammer? cant find it? oh, cause i never said that.
i said some shady stuff went down between him and nevil, and they had a falling out.
the genetics are the genetics whether they still got along or not.
 
jack hairy said:
yes, i think i could. nothing he has ever said has been all that complicated in content, only in comprehension of his meaning.
look at all these hazes, what has been done in 30 years?
its certainly great to provide the originals for everyone.
but dont act like it was that much work, a lot of it was done by nevil.
but most people would hold the original cuts at a higher value than anything decended from them. why is that? no one has bred the haze successfully enough to bring out that high level of quality that is in there to a high enough percentage that you dont need to look through 20+ females. maybe haze will never be bred to that consistency.
first off, C5 is C5, nothing else. you want to find similar and related stuff in related lines, thats fine. but its not C5 so dont say it is, ok? thats misrepresentation.

second, i just read the quote from shanti where he says he has no secrets in breeding.
so dont act like he needs any ok.

even some of the most basic breeders dont make some of the mistakes that shanti has allowed on information about his plants. its ok with me if thats how he wants it, but he may not know that some people would like more detailed information unless we let him know that these mistakes are not a positive thing.

where did i say kanga was a scammer? cant find it? oh, cause i never said that.
i said some shady stuff went down between him and nevil, and they had a falling out.
the genetics are the genetics whether they still got along or not.
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Sorry, I missed the bit where you show that khanga stuff is legit from mullum.
Mullumbimby might sound like some majik place, but as I said before, I actually lived there.

And if C5 is a breeding of NL5 and haze C, how couldn't there be a C5 male??
Are you sure you could follow the conversation when the big boys talk??
 
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Vlad the Inhaler said:
Too true you don't know how long Rimeo was scamming people.
Most likely from the beginning.

Don't you feel stupid though??
Saying you don't care where the genetics come from, as long as they are good.

How many years have you been humping threads about Shanti not revealing 100% of his breeding secrets, to your satisfaction?

Like if you don't really care, truly, would you have posted so much about the integrity standard set by Shanti and MNS.
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well if a scammer can produce seeds that produce platns that are as good or better than shanti's, then that scammer should start up a seedbank dont you think?

i thought you were interested in talking about this topic but i see you have some axe to grind.
but its not with me buddy.
are you sad that you didnt get your hands on these genetics yet?
id be happy to make seeds and send them in to shanti to give as freebies.
 
also would be interesting for a scammer to send out a bunch of seeds that germinate well, consistent to type and description of parents, all sorts of long flowering sativa types...lots of people just sitting around with those waiting to scam people with ;)
 
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