SSH and Mango Haze are pedigree breeds incorporating both sides of Haze A and Haze C combinations....in their breeding

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jack hairy

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I thought its time to get some discussion going about old information, new information, sorting through this pile of mess to find the truth.
we may not be far off, maybe its just some little things that are no big deal to some.

but you cant build a strong foundation on top of a bunch of errors and mistakes.

whats on your minds?

ASH and Angels Breathe is made with the Afghan Haze C male side....hope that curbs all the interest...but SSH and Mango Haze are pedigree breeds incorporating both sides of Haze A and Haze C combinations....in their breeding.

All the best Sb
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so i decided to make a thread with pedigree details in the breeders support section.

damned if im going to sit by and watch new customers ponder if Angels Breath has the highest percentage of Haze A in it.
(ill let you in on a secret, it has none!!!)

edit: since no one else cares to correct mistakes, i will.
i was wrong about MH not having any haze A, because of conflicting pedigree info that shanti has posted.
so MH has a skunk haze A father, and so angels breath has haze A in it from the MH.
 
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There is some great strains and genetics to be had here but I was under the impression angels breath did have the most haze a in it and that it had a different taste profile then what has been reported in grow reports . I just wish I had this info before I dropped 150 bucks
 
Is there any where I can cet the south holland haze a cut in s1 form and if this is the original nevil cut why is it not being used in the mr.nice breeding program .
 
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good questions.
there is an A5 out there.
not sure if it is the same as the mother of nevilles haze or something different.
and while it may not be pure, i think there is something like A5 x the white x A5, not sure if any A5 s1's have been made yet.

but there is no haze A cut as haze A was a male and is dead.
 
That's right cause I believe the south holland cut is nl5xhazeA I am pretty sure the mother of nevil haze is nl5/hazeA as well
 
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kief420 said:
That's right cause I believe the south holland cut is nl5xhazeA I am pretty sure the mother of nevil haze is nl5/hazeA as well
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G `day TH

I think there were more than one cut of several of these old Haze Hybs .
We know there were at least 2 C5s C5#1 and C5 #122 and prolly 2 A5s as well .



AG13 , HPHz and a cut of Nevil`s Hz are now in circulation too .
Any clues on what Haze the HPHz cut is ?

There was CG13 , Hawaiian Haze and Mexi Haze as well from what I have gleaned from reading old posts .


Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
Elmer Bud said:
G `day TH

I think there were more than one cut of several of these old Haze Hybs .
We know there were at least 2 C5s C5#1 and C5 #122 and prolly 2 A5s as well .



AG13 , HPHz and a cut of Nevil`s Hz are now in circulation too .
Any clues on what Haze the HPHz cut is ?

There was CG13 , Hawaiian Haze and Mexi Haze as well from what I have gleaned from reading old posts .


Thanks for sharin

EB .
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I know there is some old Mexican haze plants I have some old photos a dead relative did from I don't know how long ago and they are the haziest looking plants I ever seem and back then all you got was really good Mexican bud with seed or brick with seed .
 
when people are wondering why we spread the incorrect information, its because we spent a lot of time reading incorrect information here on this forum.
as long as the mistakes get acknowledged and corrected eventually.
 
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Todd McCormick has a Male from Mel Frank that has Original Nevils Haze, and Original Haze genetics.
The male is crossed with some really good clone only females.

Todd has also written a book with Mel, and did fed time in the 90s. Something like 17 time cancer survivor. He also writes for a magazine.



Genetics of the male are are.

NL5 x Haze A x Haze C x Original Haze male.

1 he has Im interested is crossed with White Widow.

Also Green Crack
Original 79 Romulan cut

He also has the Original Sk1 straight from, and grown by Mel Frank, who has had the genetics since 88.... But they aren't cheap.
I bought 30 of them. Not letting this get away again.

But this is available USA only.
 
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ive got some original haze going now.
and some NH.
i was already planning to make a OH x NH cross.
also going to put a punto rojo male to work on both of those.

i just realized the other day that i have:
punto rojo, possibly an ancestor of haze.
original haze, before nevils work with haze.
C5, from nevils early work with haze
NH and other hazes from nevil and shanti's work with haze
and NH21 x mullumbimby madness, from nevils recent work with haze.

its like 5 generations of haze.
 
there is a NH21 X Mullumbimby madness?

can you elaborate a bit more on that one jack?



greetzz
 
id prefer not to here, too many negative people around.
although we are here to talk about cannabis, sometimes these companies favor brand image and reputation over free speech and knowledge.

but nevil got some NH seeds from shanti from 03 and made some crosses with a bunch of stuff.
 
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id prefer not to here, too many negative people around.
although we are here to talk about cannabis, sometimes these companies favor brand image and reputation over free speech and knowledge.

but nevil got some NH seeds from shanti from 03 and made some crosses with a bunch of stuff.
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Jack, if you want to talk, then talk freely.
If not, then OK.
Be careful how you explain yourself though please.
You think blaming other 'too many negative people' is a good faith call?
Or the bit about free speech and knowledge?

MNS doesn't edit it's boards like IC does, and others.
They seem to be very liberal as far as letting people spill their guts, from what I've seen.

If you are using ace (punto rojo) and you seem to have a hard-on for haze A, have you thought of using Cannabiogen Destroyer?
Wahaca/red point lombo)) ((meo Thai.!
Quite impressive stuff, and an adequate out cross for haze.
The massive trichome density points to a true sativa, although you may need to buy some new grade seives to shake it
 
jack hairy said:
id prefer not to here, too many negative people around.
although we are here to talk about cannabis, sometimes these companies favor brand image and reputation over free speech and knowledge.

but nevil got some NH seeds from shanti from 03 and made some crosses with a bunch of stuff.
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Jack, if you are happy to answer, I have a few questions on your NH/MM
First, did Nev ever confirm that he was involved in breeding those seeds?
Second, is the MM the kanga stuff?
If it is, has it ever been confirmed kanga has pre 90 northern rivers haze?
Shanti has family out of Main arm, on the way to Kyogle, if I remember correctly.
I lived in Huonbrook for a while, so just wondering where your MM comes from.
If it isn't kanga's, do you know where they got the jeans from?
Also, as I understand it, Nev was transferring his genetics to Shanti. So the seed going back the other way was Shanti's new stuff, or he was handing back Nev's own previous breeding to him?
Thanks mate
 
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ok here we go.

nevil sent me seeds directly from australia the first order.
subsequesnt orders came through a guy known as rimmeo.
rimmeo then turned shady and screwed nevil and people who paid for seeds.
so that went south fast.
some people got some stuff, and later rimmeo may have sent fake stuff out when it was going south.
so some people were lucky to get some of the seeds.

for a while it seemed like talk of the grail work was taboo.
it involvs NH from mns circa 03, so i dont see why it should be a problem.
just goes to show what can be done with mns NH.

there was some shady business between nevil and kanga and they had a falling out.
but the mm was something nevil got from kanga.
afterwards theres rumors that kanga didnt give nevil his best stuff.
really sucks when people dont cooperate fully, maybe things could have been even better. just like if nevil and shanti were on good terms, nevil could have used known good haze cuts bred to other things, instead i feel he was in a rush and didnt give it his full effort. maybe it just takes time to make the stuff and go through it and determine the best to go forward with. we were all so impatient and wanted seed then, we didnt want to wait years to try for ourselves

ive never heard of pre 90s northern river haze. what do you know about it and what does it have to do with any of this?

i have NH21 x MMs as nevil labeled them. others call it emm or mm early
NH35 x mms
i didnt find anything i liked in NH23 x mms.

there was jims hawaiian x nh 07 mix, which i liked a lot. i dont know who the father was but something in there was pretty special. lost in a bust. along with the g13 from jim, my first selection of NH, the first MH and MS5 i tried to grow...:(

MS5 is the late flowering MML, crossed to super 5. super 5 is nl5/afghan x nl5/skunk.
i would assume straight from mns seeds. one of the best plants ive seen in recent years came through this line. crossed to black kush then crossed to my 21m male(nh21xmms)

i have NH x kariba, but its mostly NH dominant so i need to cross it and work it to bring out something else.

i grew NH35 x kangativas 04 sativa. some really good plants in there, the first three i saw were all lost in that same bust. the next ones i found werent quite as good and i thought too similar to the 35xmm so i let them go.

i have mullumbimby madness x oaxacan. im not sure which mm was used and if it was the male of female. i want to say it is mm male and oax female but its generally nicknamed mox.

i dont know anything about nevil transfering any genetics to shanti. nevil wanted to use seed he made himself, and older the better just so he knows they were original parents cause he made them himself. i dont know what happened there exactly, but he couldnt get the seeds he wanted from shanti and got seeds from 03 instead.

since nevil and shanti werent working together in the end, the best i could do is make C5 x NH21/mms. havent grown them yet.
 
oh and its cbg punto rojo.
10 seeds, 3 plants, 3 males, 1 that doesnt throw pistils.
ill take it.

and its the haze C side i am looking at closely.
that jack herer had no haze A
 
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Thanks man.
If it came direct from Nev, then all good.
Did he mention it here, or anywhere else you know it?
Mullum is in the northern rivers district of NSW.
By pre 90 I mean stuff that comes out of the area from fairly old breeding.

If you already using Charlie's gear, have you run destroyer?

I thought you were chasing the hzA in the Nev's. Yeah Herer is a skunk+c5 hookup, closer to ssh than other hazes.
Cheers
 
Read them both.
I was into dwarves then, on the hunt for nl5 in Ortega. Haha, haven't found it yet..
I liked the first bit of it ( grail haze thread ) before people started contaminating it, n Nev left.
He was an interesting man, and had some great stuff to share, although I haven't read it in ages.
As you said, we are here to find/share knowledge...So, any chance you can link from it? ( concerning NH/MM )
 
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