Hey Shanti what do you think?

[Cptn]

Hahaha, I can't believe I'm typing this, but I agree! I have zero complaints in the plants! Every pack of beans from MNS I've cracked have had at Lear 2 keeper quality plants.

Cptn...we'll just have to agree to disagree...I don't care how much shanti selected for haze...Skunk and NL genes are in there, their just recessive at that point.

I'm over this because last time this topic came up the exact same arguments are posted.

It's all about number and phenotypes...but from a breeding standpoint, they should be accurate!

Ha Sensi, you beat me to the punch. I agree, the genes are the genes, the expression is a different story.

I would never try to refute your points my friends as I agree. I was just suggesting something that could be the rational of the man making the beans. It distills the process he described for reviving G13. I think distillation of the MNS strain descriptions as I demonstrated could be valuable.

I don't think I said a single negative thing about the final quality of the product, because it kicks ass no matter how he assembles it. Please show me if I did. Thanks ;-)

And I forgot to mention I agree with Sensi also that seeds being produced in Spain are NOT a bad thing (my paraphrase.) It is like any contracted business. It all depends on who is watching the show, and how tightly they enforce that they are getting what they pay for.

If Shanti is having seeds produced in Spain, he has an EXCELLENT track record with it.

Cheers!

 

[oneofus]

Hint: no matter how this threads turns out "the proof is in the seed".

M.

like the man says

And like Betterhaff said above.."the genes are the genes" so if I just get one male and one female I can make my own seeds.

 

[wonkadonk]

Gene Genie Let Yourself Go O O

 

[hempy]

one would think if it was "the most impressive plant you worked with from seed" that it would be the ONLY plant you would be working with and not some "i hope to work with her again some day" type plant

unless you are growing some clone only strains that walk all over it , but then again you have always said the same as shanti that mns can reproduce any modern strain out there, so that leads us back to you claiming that "MNS Mango Haze is definitely Shanti's baby and I have to say likely the most impressive plant Ive ever worked with from seed. I hope to work with her again in the future one day"

makes us wonder

just saying

You know bob i think you have to be one of the biggest liers i have ever come in contact with on line in any of the canna forums i was a member in and you mate are honestly a person every one needs to avoid.

Your time in Mr nice has been to troll and disrupted this site and its community from your very first post.

Have you even grown the mango haze bob or any of the Mr nice haze lines ?.

I grew mango haze from 2002 until early this year that alone should tell any one how good this line is.

Even Nevile sampled some that was not as good as the original mum and he him self was very impress so why talk shit bob about a line that is very good.

Epic genetics ha bob so are you gearing up to sell hacks to now one more kid with no understanding of the plant that cant even grow a half ass plant to smoke them selfs is now also gearing up to take peoples money i see.

SSH by the way is a very good line and i grew it but i my self dont like it as it has a stone to its high and others like it but i dont i think if the germ rate is a problem well that can be sorted out simply by a pm to shanti.

SSH has been around a long time shanti has offered it for a decade and in that decade so many have grow it out and i can say i have never ever read a bad report on its potency.

As for haze % in a line thats easily worked out say the MH mum is NLxHaze and the dad is a SKxHz your seeds will be 50% haze and if the NH mum is 50% and then its crossed to haze c you would get a 75% but your dealing with hybrids and even a heavy haze hybrid such as Neville's haze can express a NL heavy phino in its seed because Nl is in its make up.

Some NH took a long time to flower others came in faster its what you expect with hybrid lines and it only shows some peoples lack of experience when they dont understand this regarding modern cannabis hybrid lines.

I dont talk for shanti if he sed he will re write up strain info to clear some things up that a few of you are confused about sounds like a positive for those that are confused.

But to expect breeders to spell out how they breed a line is asking to much most want even tell you what plants there using in the lines and some are out right lieing to consumers.

 

[oneofus]

...if the germ rate is a problem well that can be sorted out simply by a pm to shanti.

I did PM Shanti first and I am now on my replacement pack of SSH. I have told SB that I wont bother getting the third pack which he offered to send me because what's the point of having a third pack if the first two packs failed me?

Tell you what...let's just say that I don't know how to germinate cannabis seeds and save ourselves the journey to that inevitable conclusion

 

[Epic Genetics]

You know bob i think you have to be one of the biggest liers i have ever come in contact with on line in any of the canna forums i was a member in and you mate are honestly a person every one needs to avoid.

Your time in Mr nice has been to troll and disrupted this site and its community from your very first post.

Have you even grown the mango haze bob or any of the Mr nice haze lines ?.

I grew mango haze from 2002 until early this year that alone should tell any one how good this line is.

Even Nevile sampled some that was not as good as the original mum and he him self was very impress so why talk shit bob about a line that is very good.

Epic genetics ha bob so are you gearing up to sell hacks to now one more kid with no understanding of the plant that cant even grow a half ass plant to smoke them selfs is now also gearing up to take peoples money i see.

SSH by the way is a very good line and i grew it but i my self dont like it as it has a stone to its high and others like it but i dont i think if the germ rate is a problem well that can be sorted out simply by a pm to shanti.

SSH has been around a long time shanti has offered it for a decade and in that decade so many have grow it out and i can say i have never ever read a bad report on its potency.

As for haze % in a line thats easily worked out say the MH mum is NLxHaze and the dad is a SKxHz your seeds will be 50% haze and if the NH mum is 50% and then its crossed to haze c you would get a 75% but your dealing with hybrids and even a heavy haze hybrid such as Neville's haze can express a NL heavy phino in its seed because Nl is in its make up.

Some NH took a long time to flower others came in faster its what you expect with hybrid lines and it only shows some peoples lack of experience when they dont understand this regarding modern cannabis hybrid lines.

I dont talk for shanti if he sed he will re write up strain info to clear some things up that a few of you are confused about sounds like a positive for those that are confused.

But to expect breeders to spell out how they breed a line is asking to much most want even tell you what plants there using in the lines and some are out right lieing to consumers.

i think you quoted the wrong person

 

[hempy]

i think you quoted the wrong person

No i have not quoted the wrong person bob.

 

[hempy]

I did PM Shanti first and I am now on my replacement pack of SSH. I have told SB that I wont bother getting the third pack which he offered to send me because what's the point of having a third pack if the first two packs failed me?

Tell you what...let's just say that I don't know how to germinate cannabis seeds and save ourselves the journey to that inevitable conclusion

Well all i know is that the SSH is a very good line that many people over the decade of shanti offering it and the years before that when Neville offered it has won a place in many a growers grow room or grow patch and mum room of many growers around the world.

It is a line that many still want to try that have not yet grow it i did but did not like the high to much stone for me others loved it tho.

I am not saying its your germ method mate but if it was a bad seed batch there be complaints all over the place as the SSH is one of shantis best sellers.

 

[Epic Genetics]

No i have not quoted the wrong person bob.

dude my name is not bob, are you out of meds perhaps

 

[hempy]

dude my name is not bob, are you out of meds perhaps

bob is one of the many handlers you use along with epic you mate are dilutional to think people can not work out these things its clear as day who your aliases are bob.

Give it up mate and the sooner your gone the better this community will be.

 

[Epic Genetics]

bob is one of the many handlers you use along with epic you mate are dilutional to think people can not work out these things its clear as day who your aliases are bob.

Give it up mate and the sooner your gone the better this community will be.

seriously i believe you need clinical help
STOP talking to me or about me

 

[hempy]

seriously i believe you need clinical help
STOP talking to me or about me

The one that needs therapy here is you bob all any one needs to do is look threw you troll handles post history to work out who you are its really a sad reflection on you personally and whats worse is you think people are that stupid to not work this out.

Whats even worse than you thinking people are so stupid bob is how you spend most of your time in mr nice trolling and being a negative entity day in day out you are a waste of space even on the INTERNET pal.

You have never done a grow log you basically disruped or cause drama and if you god forbid post any thing cannabis related at best its basically something you have read and re posted at best.

Stop wasting my time and every other persons time in here bob with this stupid charade.

Be a man show some balls and say what you want under one handle for a change and then back up your lies with some truth or at lest a back bone and then and only then will you gain a shared of respect from any one in here even if your only here to be negative.

 

[ganja man1]

Hi all. If a person sends you a negative PM that you're not happy with, and mentioning other MNS members (and/or ex-members) in the PM, am I allowed to forward that PM to other members or will that be breaking the site rules?

I know I mustn't post it up in the forum, but can I forward it to other MNS members?

 

[hempy]

G`day Hempy , EG

Hempy unless you have irrefutable proof it might be time to knock off the name calling and opinions of who the forum would be better off with or without .
You remember the storm you caused when you thought you had the inside info that I had multiple identities .
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/8438-you-trolls.html

That incident did not paint you in a very good light .

@ EG

Please understand hempy has been in conflict over an extended period with internet entities who have changed handles several times .

Thanks for sharin

Elmer Bud .

My advice to you elmer is stay out of it and my way as i do not like you and lest of all do i trust you.

The conflict with in this site has come from your side of the fence elmer you bob nutella and others people you call friends and all i and others did was to react so the last person that needs to be getting involved here is you.

How can you lot sit back and pretend to be valued members of this community when all you do is trash this site and now you come running in to defend bob why.

How stupid do you lot think people are dice is bob also and he has many more handles as do you elmer to troll people what a valued commodity to put your time .

You see elmer having troll handles is as useful as possessing an extra testicle in love making it serves no use.

Bob him self posted not long ago and sed he dont care if his banned or if his ip is banned as it wont stop him so tell some one that dont know you guys then you may stand a chance of being believed.

Why try and distort the facts about Mr nices genetics guys there been around a very long time 1000s of growers around the world know there worth and when a troll like bob trys and discredits them it makes one asks what are there motivation.

 

[Epic Genetics]

My advice to you elmer is stay out of it and my way as i do not like you and lest of all do i trust you.

The conflict with in this site has come from your side of the fence elmer you bob nutella and others people you call friends and all i and others did was to react so the last person that needs to be getting involved here is you.

How can you lot sit back and pretend to be valued members of this community when all you do is trash this site and now you come running in to defend bob why.

How stupid do you lot think people are dice is bob also and he has many more handles as do you elmer to troll people what a valued commodity to put your time .

You see elmer having troll handles is as useful as possessing an extra testicle in love making it serves no use.

Bob him self posted not long ago and sed he dont care if his banned or if his ip is banned as it wont stop him so tell some one that dont know you guys then you may stand a chance of being believed.

Why try and distort the facts about Mr nices genetics guys there been around a very long time 1000s of growers around the world know there worth and when a troll like bob trys and discredits them it makes one asks what are there motivation.

apparently english is not your first language because you do not understand it whatsoever, where did i discredit mns genetics in that post you quoted ?

I DID NOT !

call me bob
call me jim
hell call me jim bob, i dont care and no matter how many times you say it the fact remains you are only making yourself look foolish

 

[hempy]

apparently english is not your first language because you do not understand it whatsoever, where did i discredit mns genetics in that post you quoted ?

I DID NOT !

call me bob
call me jim
hell call me jim bob, i dont care and no matter how many times you say it the fact remains you are only making yourself look foolish

Dice Mrniceid epic bob bitching to name a few but I will call you bob and bob i hope you wake up one day and find some inner peace with in your self and the world around you and spend your time as a positive force and not waste it on being a negative one but thats asking a lot from you i know peace with you bob.

 

[oneofus]

...I am not saying its your germ method mate but if it was a bad seed batch there be complaints all over the place as the SSH is one of shantis best sellers.

yeah I've wondered about that myself of course, but I've been germinating seeds for over a decade now and... And half of the first pack didn't even crack. Perhaps it is x-rays combined with a seed's shell thickness and age...so many factors could be at play.

Just the other day I was wondering if cannabis is worth the worry and expense of being a grower, and right now the idea of closing down my grow and giving it up is looking pretty appealing to me I must admit.

God...I might even discover that there is only oneofme if I stop using cannabis!

oneofus

 

[hempy]

yeah I've wondered about that myself of course, but I've been germinating seeds for over a decade now and... And half of the first pack didn't even crack. Perhaps it is x-rays combined with a seed's shell thickness and age...so many factors could be at play.

Just the other day I was wondering if cannabis is worth the worry and expense of being a grower, and right now the idea of closing down my grow and giving it up is looking pretty appealing to me I must admit.

God...I might even discover that there is only oneofme if I stop using cannabis!

oneofus

Some times things can be a challenge mate did the seeds crack ? Heres a tip for you i found with problem seeds or old seed.

I crack the seed case to help the embryo start off i then place them in chucks super wipe placed in tuppa wear on say a heat mat or you can even use say fox set top box to keep warm but be careful they dont get to warm keep on outer edge with lid slightly open and watch daily for the tap root to show and grow out then what i look for is if theres any embryo case on the seed embryo.

If there is i then gently remove the seed case and with a tooth pic gently remove the embryo seed case off the seed embryo and place it in ether RW or Coco starters or you can put it in soil tap root into the medium and only feed it water giving it a day or 2 to see if it starts to grow then place it under lite and once the steam starts to get color then the leaf starts to go a green i feed them and in a few days there ready to plant.

Some times fresh seed can do this also and if the seed embryo case is not removed the seed embryo will fail.

I had to do this to some fresh seed in the past my self mite be worth a go to see if you can get some of the SSH to fire mate if you have any left.

I have gone out doors now mate back to my roots.

 

[hempy]

Elmer your being ignored because your a troll do not post any more in my direction as i will place you on ignore and you will be wasting your time and effet do your thing elmer and do not involve your self in things that dont involve you in future .

You must feel alone these days not having the back up of your troll army these days by your side.

 

[oneofus]

bad karma perhaps?

Some times things can be a challenge mate did the seeds crack ? Heres a tip for you i found with problem seeds or old seed.

I crack the seed case to help the embryo start off i then place them in chucks super wipe placed in tuppa wear on say a heat mat or you can even use say fox set top box to keep warm but be careful they dont get to warm keep on outer edge with lid slightly open and watch daily for the tap root to show and grow out then what i look for is if theres any embryo case on the seed embryo.

If there is i then gently remove the seed case and with a tooth pic gently remove the embryo seed case off the seed embryo and place it in ether RW or Coco starters or you can put it in soil tap root into the medium and only feed it water giving it a day or 2 to see if it starts to grow then place it under lite and once the steam starts to get color then the leaf starts to go a green i feed them and in a few days there ready to plant.

Some times fresh seed can do this also and if the seed embryo case is not removed the seed embryo will fail.

I had to do this to some fresh seed in the past my self mite be worth a go to see if you can get some of the SSH to fire mate if you have any left.

I have gone out doors now mate back to my roots.

yep...I've done all of that hempy. Very few of the first lot threw off their shells but they were all picked off successfully. I'm trying some in soil now in case my coco is no good even though it was flushed to buggeyr and down to 2 EC which is what my tap water is (when it's not zero) I have tried more heat and up to 26C...

Look, I always blame myself for any grow issue first and foremost, but I'm just out of ideas with these. Perhaps if Shanti grows out a few seeds to confirm they grow and not just crack that would resolve the situation. And if SB says his seed stock is good I will believe him without reservation.

Thanks for the advice anyway hempy Perhaps in the end it is just a case of "shit happens".

Okay everyone...ignore my complaints it is just shit happening to me like it always does... #$@!%&^%#%