Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

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anything done under 16/18 weeks aint a haze, its a haze cross , haze hybrid, whatever .. call it what you want ...

if for some guys its ok to title water as wine, ill call that a lie , or bullshit or whatever

i hate the spread of missinformation and ignorance, as for rimmeo and chalk, get some basic infos before bashing out other posters, i know .. it makes your weener bigger when you say "hey i got haze done in 12 weeks" ... well .. thats simply not the truth and the case, but some folks like to live their lies and they than become there own truth

pathetic ...

i know well that dreamy sativa highs (indica like), but if your searching for something like that - haze isnt an option, better stick to some thais for example or a haze hybrid

still - today i havent found more than 10 grow reports of haze, everything called haze is just as described above a cross

https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/5-strain-base/6005-original-haze.html?highlight=original+haze

peace out wannabes
 
lol Deran I'm glad you've posted some really nice Haze pics and also admitted that your an agressive type or I would be getting a lil beefy with you right now.

Suffice to say that If you've had even a decent SSH selection the HAZE specifically is dominant...HazeC is a formidable male my friend, that taste and "ZIM" buzz is unmistakable, really nothing like it.

I agree with you about the couchlock/dreamy Thai feeling I think its a more Haze A trait and something I have come across in longer flowering psychedelic phenos of Cannabiogen's "Destroyer".
 
bfskinner said:
I agree with you about the couchlock/dreamy Thai feeling I think its a more Haze A trait
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I concur, the very sativa pheno of Angel Heart I got from sensi13 came out very couchy for me though not sleepy so much as just overwhelming. I am guessing it is a Haze A leaning pheno.
 
bfskinner said:
Hempy blooms under T5s!?

Hempy, please tell us what the hell that's about. I'm assuming you know something I don't here...what kind of wattage are those fuckers!!?

Fluoro flowering??
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hi mate no never uses a t5 sounds like a honda what is it.
 
That plant is not 5Hz leaning...I've grown the Sensi and the new MNS version...that angel heart pheno is something I've never encountered...it's more golf ball structured like YoSammys G13xHzA. I am almost certain it's haze A leaning because of the incensce odor...and it definite has a skunk influence in flavor as well...not much NL expression in that plant IME.

Cheers,
Sensi
 
Sensimilla13 said:
That plant is not 5Hz leaning...I've grown the Sensi and the new MNS version...that angel heart pheno is something I've never encountered...it's more golf ball structured like YoSammys G13xHzA. I am almost certain it's haze A leaning because of the incensce odor...and it definite has a skunk influence in flavor as well...not much NL expression in that plant IME.

Cheers,
Sensi
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Okay Sensimilla13 il bite what does HzA look like then.
 
hempy said:
Okay Sensimilla13 il bite what does HzA look like then.
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We all know Haze A is a male. So what does a female look like? We're guessing a little bit like her. She is different than Haze C dom. Not skunk dom, though it's obvious there is a bit of skunk in her as well as NL5.

She is a poly hybrid, so a bit of a mashup of course.

 
wonkadonk said:
Here's that Angel Heart I suspect leans to the Haze A

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Mate haze A was pure haze that does not look like pure haze and i have seen that looking phinos in the MH test seed in 2002 that is not sk haze as i grew shithaze so it leaves nl haze and that is why i sed it.

That plant will pack on the flower mass tawards the end as you flush you watch and see.
 
deran said:
anything done under 16/18 weeks aint a haze, its a haze cross , haze hybrid, whatever .. call it what you want ...

This is an interesting point, I regularly visit Goa and got a great smoke off a close friend of mine that just took the top of your head off. The plant came from the Western Ghat mountain range and he told me that they grow huge. He got me some seeds I grew them and sexed for females. The plants went mental and were uncontrolable:eek: after 16 weeks they were still flowering and going strong with very long colas. I have more experience growing Indica's so this was a new experience for me so I can only assume it was a "Haze" landrace strain. If it was a pure Haze I can only agree with Deran as to the flowering times of these strains, they go on forever but the wait is well worth it
kind regards
Kublai
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hempy said:
Mate haze A was pure haze that does not look like pure haze
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Nobody said it was Haze A. Did you read where I said it is an Angel Heart?

hempy said:
i have seen that looking phinos in the MH test seed in 2002 that is not sk haze as i grew shithaze so it leaves nl haze and that is why i sed it.
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That makes sense that there would be similar phenos in MH since as I understand it she is 1/2 MH. There are two hazes in MH. We feel that as a sativa leaning specimen she leans towards the Haze A. I don't think it's as simple as saying she's not a sk/hz pheno so she's a nl/hz. Though I think you are partly right, a nl/hz(A) pheno?

Anyway whatever, she is what she is.


hempy said:
That plant will pack on the flower mass tawards the end as you flush you watch and see.
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She actually didn't get too much bigger than that, I think I pulled her about a week later at 82 days or so. She had more meat on her than it looked like though.
 
hempy said:
Okay Sensimilla13 il bite what does HzA look like then.
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Why don't you go look at YoSammys G13 x Haze A and tell me that my plant look more like NL5xHzC vs the structure of his plant...no G13 in Angel heart so I suspect it more like the Haze A...not big long running buds like a 5HzC...golf ball shaped nugs...and Nevil said the incense trait it HAZE A. It also wreaks of sweet fruity skunk...like apple, but not berry...I've never seen an extremely fruity pure NL...but I've sure seen some fruity skunk!

Just like you to get on a high horse and tell me you know more about the plant I've selected and run 6 times. You are a joke! That plant will not pack on flowers at the end...the buds closest to the light are the SMALLEST...too much light...another strong sativa trait...not NL...NL loves being directly under the light...I know I ran the original Sensi NL and I ran Ortega. So keep talking out of your ass "expert"!

Plead don't bite anymore...I do not want to talk to you!

Grow out a pack of angel heart, then you will see it! There is no NL expression in this plant!

Here are some more pics...NL...I don't think so! http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/5-strain-base/6420-tastiest-9-weeker-11.html
 
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deran said:
anything done under 16/18 weeks aint a haze, its a haze cross , haze hybrid, whatever .. call it what you want ...

if for some guys its ok to title water as wine, ill call that a lie , or bullshit or whatever

i hate the spread of missinformation and ignorance, as for rimmeo and chalk, get some basic infos before bashing out other posters, i know .. it makes your weener bigger when you say "hey i got haze done in 12 weeks" ... well .. thats simply not the truth and the case, but some folks like to live their lies and they than become there own truth

pathetic ...

i know well that dreamy sativa highs (indica like), but if your searching for something like that - haze isnt an option, better stick to some thais for example or a haze hybrid

still - today i havent found more than 10 grow reports of haze, everything called haze is just as described above a cross

https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/5-strain-base/6005-original-haze.html?highlight=original+haze

peace out wannabes
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High Mr Deran. I always respect your thought...

But something is asking me to break down this thought more with you.

May you be so bold to as to continue this discussion, or is your word church and we can not discuss further?

Peace,

Chana
 
hempy said:
hi mate no never uses a t5 sounds like a honda what is it.
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LMAO, that was funny... second ride was 4 door accord... shit had magic in the engine...

T5's are similar to t8 and t12's, they just have great light output... they have been around since the 90's, and in my garden the last few years...

Find they are great for vegging seed/cutts and young plants, and sats/hz but never tried to bloom with them.

Mind you, it will not be for the full life cycle... 30 days and then I will have room to put under the hps.

I am sure Mr. Hempy you have seen them along your journey. If you want to give them a go, they usually come in single banks or your can get a 4 or 6 bulb hood and see what you think.... 4 bulb x 4 feet units output (depending on the spectrum of light (i.e. mixed spectrum or one kind) 3000K it draws about 400 watts of power. It is comparable to 400 mh. It is really how you utilize it that makes it have value.

That pic is of 2, 6 bulb fixtures, and 7, 4 bulb fixtures in daisy chain... basically overkill... but I have them so I am working with it.

Take care,

Chana
 
hi folks

a few questions for all involved about talking haze : how can ppl talk about HzA or HzC leaning phenos, as im sure only nevil and maybe shanti had those now lost originals, so how can someone compare something with something else they never had in possesion ?

who of you grew HzA or HzC ?

there is zero logic to it, not at all

my word aint church chana, but as stated in the previous post pepsi is pepsi , as haze is haze and coke is coke, as crosses or hybrids made with haze are, pure simple nomenclature, and no discussion will change that fact that we are dealing with 2 completly different products

this whole thread is about coke, or haze crosses/hybrids, then for gods sake call em that way, or by there given name

for example , nevil gave his cross his name, in order to distinguish from haze, everybody over the world knows that it has nl5 in it, therefore a different name, same with ssh or mh...

is that really so hard to understand ?

must be those god damn medias ppl get manipulated with, anything that smells like incense and has a sativa high becomes instantly haze, nope it doesnt
 
deran... would you please define haze in ten words or less

cuz you guys are confusing the living hell out of me with what the hell a haze is... so haze isnt just a superlong sativa with a church incense smell and a great taste and high?

love an respect
 
I need a coke now...

deran said:
hi folks

a few questions for all involved about talking haze : how can ppl talk about HzA or HzC leaning phenos, as im sure only nevil and maybe shanti had those now lost originals, so how can someone compare something with something else they never had in possesion ?

who of you grew HzA or HzC ?
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Sensi mentioned Sammy threads... he has grown AG13 and CG13.

deran said:
there is zero logic to it, not at all
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Blood runs deep, especially hz and it is thicker then water... so ask there progeny...

deran said:
my word aint church chana, but as stated in the previous post pepsi is pepsi , as haze is haze and coke is coke, as crosses or hybrids made with haze are, pure simple nomenclature, and no discussion will change that fact that we are dealing with 2 completly different products
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Maybe, but the ganja farmer that grows outdoors is laugihing at me and you shaking his head and saying that is not hz, and you saying anything that does not bloom longer then 16 weeks is the same as me saying there is inscense in something I may have hunted down in a 9 or 14 week plant...

deran said:
this whole thread is about coke, or haze crosses/hybrids, then for gods sake call em that way, or by there given name
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You have never had a rum and coke, though you are right nothing beats a cold coke on a summer day. Coke Slurpee are bomb too.... Coke gummie bears, and coke floats with vanilla icecream are yuk, never figured out how people drink that...

Still nice to have choice, and if I add ice in my coke, is my coke not coke? And is the coke from its conception the same as it is today? Probably not, cause even drinking out of a glass bottle taste diffrent then out of a can or plastic one...

So back to that farmer, and him saying we cant grow hz indoors. You have any pictures of your ohz outdoor. There has to be a difference.

deran said:
for example , nevil gave his cross his name, in order to distinguish from haze, everybody over the world knows that it has nl5 in it, therefore a different name, same with ssh or mh...

is that really so hard to understand ?
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It is not so hard to understand, but nobody has these plants in circulation any more, so we need the next best thing...

deran said:
must be those god damn medias ppl get manipulated with, anything that smells like incense and has a sativa high becomes instantly haze, nope it doesnt
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Media hype... you are funny mate... the people growing ganja dont grow anything longer then 9 weeks, ask Greenhouse and see their seed sales. And then you got us, a real small part of the big picture that actually care.

So unless you are going to share that ohz cut, please take it easy man...

I mean why would you be here if you have already found your grail. Just to make those that dont have original hz look like dummies...

I also think that you have not grown enough newer genetics to see that one can find early hz... or am I being to far fetched with such a suggestion. If we can find 16 week phenos why can there not be a fast one... back to real talk breeding and what the f' is Early MM all about...

Thank god it was not church, I cant go anymore cause I am tired of the first person that sees me, wanting to try and save me...

Chana
 
Deran,
I agree with you on most points. MNS sells haze hybrids. TFD had the only pure line for sale that I ever heard of until Tom Hill...and I'm almost positive his is from TFD.

But concerning the determination of a particular haze hybrid leaning to A or C, it is not that difficult if one has grown a Haze A or Haze C hybrid with only one othe two present...5Hz, G13/Hz or Afghan Haze (all Haze C hybrids)...and if your really lucky grown the 5 hzA, or G13/hzA. If you get an extreme sat leaning version of one of those you can observe many of the individual haze characteristics (especially if you grow a decent number of seeds). Then if you grow something like NH or MH with A and C present, you then have the difficulty of determining the influence of either unless you've grown them separately.

Now, take that experience and couple it with the knowledge of haze A and haze C from Nevil, Shanti and YoSammy and it becomes quite easy to pick out Haze A or Haze C LEANING phenotypes. All it takes is a little careful observation.

And you are SOOOO RIGHT about the misconception of Haze from SamS/Haze brothers and other sativas that carry some of the same characteristics...like frankenscence (which is a Haze A trait according to Nevil)...it is found in haze because one of the ancestors of the polyhybrid Haze developed in Cali had this trait. Another had a citrus sweet addition to the line (Haze C). Sonic someone gets some hybrid with Thai and or Colombian and it has a certain smell or high, they call it Haze to piggy back on the work of Nevil and/or TFD who did all the work to bring out and preserve the best of Haze from the haze brothers seed stock.

But yes, the ultimate point is that MNS only sells Haze hybrids.

Cheers,
Sensi
 
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