The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

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BucketBong said:
Stick to the Hempy bucket thread Ganga Boy. This one is for your elders . The only clown here is a semi moronic little boy - closet grower who was found out telling lies in this thread. Just like you lied about my pm message :D . Youve never seen let alone smoked a real Thai budda stick in your life mate. You were caught out in yet another fallacy and like your puppet master you selectively quote others in a desperate attempt to spin your way out of trouble.:rolleyes: Leave the " origin of haze " to the elders and the members who have smoked it Ganga Boy . These people are trying to ascertain the facts about old lineages , strains etc that were way before your time mate . Stick to the Hempy bucket thread . :cool: Bloody kids ....... I'll get rid of this post later Herb , my amigo. Some things have to be said though mate . Cheers All.
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ha bucket i have asket you not to bring me up in your posts before and yet again i am the puppet master well i pull no ones strings or do i give a rats to.

What is it with you mate you put shit on people yet have you ever stood back and in fact read and took note of you own posts and actions in this site or those of your buddy's i think not because if you had you would of changed your ways long ago.

Bigherb is also a classic for this i sent all of bigs abusive insults to shanti and i told shanti to come read this post you guys are a class act you attack and insult people then get this run off and report the person or people your attacking to shanti its comical honestly.

Heres the thing fellas this is not your site to tell people were to post and or what to post its every member of Mr nice site to post and do as they feel as long as it is with in site rules which are in short treat others as you your self would like to be treated not hard is it.



Bucket the last Thai imported cannabis i saw was around 1987 compress brick the good Thai imported lots i saw was say up till 85 or 86 basically and each year you would see good and okay Thai lots coming in most was good.




Face the truth fellas bigs a joke his articles a joke his source is Sam a bigger joke and the only info that is traceable and credible is from the timer Neville and Sam germinated there seed.

Haze was created and grown well before Sam even grew cannabis.

No one knows what haze is they can guess but thats not the same as knowing is it.

Big your articles not even worthy to be used as emergency toilet paper give it up and focus your attention on growing your first plant.

haze traits i noticed in haze hybrids that are unique and very visible if you in fact grow haze hybrids out you would of picked up and saw what i also see in Thia i have not seen these traits in columbine or south American lines ether.

Yet no ones even touched on it because you have not grown pure Thais out or haze hybrids to compare and if you had your not seeing it but dont ask me what they are as i wont tell you because you all think you are the experts here but trust me i see it very differently as do many many more growers in this site and right threw the canna community.

I can see why Neville shanti and others say why they believe its a union of Thai and columbine but again no one knows and its only a guess.

Do me a favor keep me out of your posts and this joke of a thread.
 
BucketBong said:
Hempy I had my first smoke of thai buddha as a 13 year old surf rat in 1978. Dont start lecturing me about the stuff. Ive seen more of it than youd dream of. Ever seen a shipping container full of it mate ? ;)
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bucket i have not once sed you were bullshiting have i but why is it most think i am its retarded do you honestly think id waste my time and energy in posting up things i did not see or do or know or can back threw friends.

I smoked my first Buddha stick in 79 September i think around the time of my year 10 exams and took my first trips at that same time even took some exams tripping and started to grow Thai in 79 .

Even tho i was growing my own i still got hold of things like Thai and any other good imported thing i could find because i liked variety and like most searched for better greater.

I had close friends living by the docks who had friends working at the docks i had my connections every were even far north reality is we had it all here it was paradise but we had ow dry spells to.

I know what was and was not i was just lucky to be living were the black nights were and were the main hub was.
 
give it a rest old man


We all know what you think

What happened your one week ban was up so you come back to sling more shit

 
coop said:
give it a rest old man


We all know what you think

What happened your one week ban was up so you come back to sling more shit

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I didn't get a ban i will sit quietly as i watch the wind of change flow threw the site and this wind of change will blow the dirts and rubbish out real soon.

You really are a nasty peace of work that really thinks to highly of them selfs who do you think your fooling here ? Your self and your mates would be about it i did not post a thing to you i posted to bucket yet you come in with the classic snidely remark and yet if i or any other member had done that to you or to any of your posts you would scream make threats and report me to shanti well you dont get it do you mate.

Your dilution of control is just that shanti and admin and mediator all are fully aware of what and who are coursing this sites dramas and shanti being the nice guy he is has hoped and wished for set people to just snap out of it and get back to the mantra of this site that being cannabis but you lot wont change will you.

I am much older than you yes and most of you YES but i have seen and done things you have not yet or ever will you and many others in here think your the ants pants know it all well the reality is you have years and years to catch up to most of us older guys and in most society the older members of a community are respected valued for there knowledge and experience.

But guys like you treat any one that does not agree with your vues as an enemy why because you dont like it tough build a bridge and get over it you lot all think your experts yet shanti Neville and many others dont they just see them selfs as grows you lot are just about ego and bull shit.

I dont care who you are or what you think you know you and your buddy's conduct your selfs in a disgraceful manner most in this site have become sick of and the days of your pack rules are over so change or go.
 
Lets Call it a Draw

How about we call it a draw and I'll remove my crap from Herbs thread and you do the same Hempy . Your call , bud. I have never called you a bullshitter as you know. Other things , yes :D . The point is that Ganga Man typed a bunch of bullshit regarding Thai in the UK and that you seem to be the only member in here that he respects or takes any notice of. I'll remove the posts anyway as I told Herb I would but the rest is your call .Peace and out. Cheers mate.
 
hempy said:
I can see why Neville shanti and others say why they believe its a union of Thai and columbine but again no one knows and its only a guess.

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hempy, why do you try to discredit bigherbs theory?
you dont know any better, so you shouldnt be acting like you do.

if you can believe it has thai and columbian in it, why would it be so hard to believe that original haze was a pure columbian or columbian leaning columbian/oaxacan and that nevils seeds may have been crossed to a thai leaning s.indian/thai.

all the good haze traits from the columbian could be brought out in a very thai like plant, thus creating the haze we know.
its possible isnt it?
 
hempy said:
if you in fact grow haze hybrids out you would of picked up and saw what i also see in Thia i have not seen these traits in columbine or south American lines ether.
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I didn't know Columbine was pumping out cannabis. Go team high school shootings!
 
So they made bullet sticks out of Columbine as well as Thai did they ? :D "Geezus thats in poor taste , Bucket ." He mumbles to himself with a brain full of Critical Mass. :rolleyes:
 
hempy said:
I am much older than you yes and most of you YES but i have seen and done things you have not yet or ever will you and many others in here think your the ants pants know it all well the reality is you have years and years to catch up to most of us older guys and in most society the older members of a community are respected valued for there knowledge and experience.
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LOL

so that means you don't have to respect anyone half your age. We all know you came into the "canna sean" somewhere around 2002, back when bigherb was probably smoking more haze then you've ever grown in your life and that's a fact. So you can try to discredit him all you want, but like how you where claiming you where doing whatever in grade 10, now imagine if you grew up in the biggest city in the world with the best dope too not some backwoods holler down under.



Your a joke, Shanti knows it, Admini Knows it, know everyone else does it too.

Your only contribution to this thread is claiming bigherb is a liar and sam too.


Remember when it started when you didn't even read the article, it still seems you have not.
 
matthewriot said:
I didn't know Columbine was pumping out cannabis. Go team high school shootings!
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Mathew i took you for an intelligent nice guy and it looks like i got that VERY WRONG lol.

So are you saying Columbia experted no cannabis because if thats the case were did columbine gold and columbine red to name only 2 lines from there come from please dont tell me California as i will think even less of you lol.

Why be a smart ass Mathew maybe you should focus more on growing and selling hacks.

Bucket cease fire it is lets see how long it lasts rember i never started on you.

And were did i say Thai sticks was made from columbine i have and grown Thai since the 70s many different Thais to and not that fake hybrid of Thai at best they call Thai they call that purple Thai.

I was lucky and got hold of columbine red and have grown other south American lines out in ow day panama red Thais and many other exotic lines were the sk1s of ow time they were every were you bucket should know this to but if you were 13 in 78 you may not your uncles or dad if he grew and smoked would. tho.

Stop wasting my time and the rest reading this crap.
 
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I see my wishes dont mean much ,I also see that my recent post of a death in the family still hasnt given folk a reason to not bring negativity in my thread


Ive always said I want people to see me for me and the reason I discovered this info was for me but the reason I wrote the article was for you all/the community


I could careless who believes me ,I can die tonight an be content with the life I have lived

I appreciate some recent post ,one from my brother coop who I believe see me for me yes 2002 was a great year for haze in nyc .I have long searched for info which peaked my interest it bothers some an brought others to a place of better times .

The topic of thai is a great one ive asked many times to hear more about it and ive discovered from few members ive spoke with in post thai of yssteryeatvshared similarites with haze such as the incense trait


Taste aromas from specific highland an lowland are whats most intriguing to me ,I believe effects are subjective to the individual .I love hearing about strains of yesteryear sn comparing to what ive missed an experienced


I wish old timers would stop sayin how they smoked this an that strains an start giving indepth smoke reports

Id like to say if you have nothing of substance to contribite dont post in here keep it positive an be respectful

More incense an less nonsense


1luvbigherb
 
coop said:
LOL

so that means you don't have to respect anyone half your age. We all know you came into the "canna sean" somewhere around 2002, back when bigherb was probably smoking more haze then you've ever grown in your life and that's a fact. So you can try to discredit him all you want, but like how you where claiming you where doing whatever in grade 10, now imagine if you grew up in the biggest city in the world with the best dope too not some backwoods holler down under.



Your a joke, Shanti knows it, Admini Knows it, know everyone else does it too.

Your only contribution to this thread is claiming bigherb is a liar and sam too.


Remember when it started when you didn't even read the article, it still seems you have not.
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I quoted you so you dont edit or remove your post.

You pull this crap all the time i sed nothing to you and yet again you come in being a smart ass towards me hoping i take the bait so you can run off crying to shanti well dont forget i never make or made threats as there just week but you did and have and you have lost any respect i was willing to give to you understand this clearly.

You and many others in this site think and feel your above the rest of the sites membership and you and your buddy's conduct your selfs as a grade asses and when you get pulled up you go nuts and run off crying to shanti and admini but the difference between me and a few of you is i dont care if i go or stay you do it means more to you than me and no other web forum would put up with your behavior even you guys relies that.

So understand this along with the rest of your buddy's that have pulled this crap for over a year now your now visible your posts actions are being watched as are every members and now there is no more of but its his fault them days are over we are all fully responsible for ow own actions and conduct in this site and to the sites mantra and its membership.

No more bullshit.
 
hi hempy , this is not to fight with you or troll you , this is advice as to what might make your posts easier to take ,,,,,

a little less agression would be nice

and you showed you can spell Columbia , so now add an n to the end of it , what do you have ? thats right , not columbine

you see if you dont mix up common words you wont confuse ppl

i only say this because earlier you wrote ,,,,

hempy said:
What is it with you mate you put shit on people yet have you ever stood back and in fact read and took note of you own posts and actions in this site or those of your buddy's i think not because if you had you would of changed your ways long ago .
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that i got a good larf at as i wondered if you had broke every miror in your house again , there was a lot more in that post i could have quoted that fit you perfectly but as i said im not trying to fight or troll you , just offering some advise so things run smoother

sorry Big , not trying to mess up your thread any more then it has been , just trying to help it stay a bit cleaner in the future and as i see hempy as the biggest negative in the thread i thought id offer up some easily seen needed advice

peace everyone and sorry about your loss Big
 
Can we get some more posters in here to single hempy out? So far it only appears to be approximately half a dozen versus one and they still are having problems bringing the big guy down.

Help? Re-enforcements?

The nerve of hempy to reply to bucketbong for singling him out, im personally getting tired of hempy always responding in defense of himself. And even when we have half a dozen members attacking him, he still doesnt give up.

And the kicker? We write Shantibaba and complain that hempy is still posting, despite our best efforts, and Shantibaba does NOTHING about it. Frankly, im starting to suspect Shantibaba wants hempy to post here. And that to me is simply unacceptable.
 
My first smoke of Thai Buddha stick

Its a long time ago but I'll give it a vague go Herb. The first smoke of pot I ever had was in the late 70's as a wet behind the ears, 14 year old kid. We lived close to Brisbane, Qld , Oz on a small island - was populated by in those days sand mine workers, surfers-hippies, professional fisherman and the local aborigines who mainly had jobs in the mines or fished. Probably a full third of the population of my home island , if not more smoked weed. A lot of A grade mull was smuggled into Oz from Hawaii , Indonesia, SE Asia , India and Nepal by surfers .

Anyway back to the topic. A close mate of mine who I'll call Tony scored a stick off his older brother and we took it out in the bush to smoke. My mate chopped this weed up and mixed it with tobacco ( as was the way then ) in a Aussie " Tracks " magazine. He then proceeded to make a bong using a paw paw shoot stem , a foil cone and an empty glass stubby ( small beer bottle ) . We call em a fizz - bong.

The weed's smell was like vaguely familiar. It reminded me of indian incense sticks . Tony packed himself a cone , got me to light it and pulled it in one go. " If you cant pull em in one go you're a f...ing sheila " he said after blowing the smoke out .My first lesson in weed etiquette.

Tony then packed my cone. I sucked this thing down like a trooper and then blew the smoke out like a Kombi van going up a mountain road. Within 30 seconds my hair felt like it was standing on end and my mouth went totally dry. My eyes had turned into slits and I had a huge shit eating grin. Tony looked at me and without saying a word we both went into total uncontrollable laughter. "Matttee , this stuff is f.....g unreal" we both said with tears running down our faces.

Gist of the story was that my mate and I had the time of our lives that day and night , smoked this thai stick weed , went for a surf , went home , pigged out ,smoked more weed and listened to music for hours on end. It made music sound soooo much better.All the while we both had these gigantic shit eating grins , we were cracking up uncontrollably .

Buddha was so strong we only used to roll one paper pin joints and have one - two cone sessions . Even after I was a more seasoned head. Never needed any more. Still in some ways the nicest pot Ive ever smoked . It is famous for a reason. Cheers Herb , hope that helps you mate .
 
Fair point Coop

coop said:
now imagine if you grew up in the biggest city in the world with the best dope too not some backwoods holler down under. [/B]
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Thats a pretty fair point actually, Coop. My older brother has never grown a plant in his life , wouldnt have a clue about modern indoor breeds-hybrids or seed companies either. However , unlike me he grew up in the most cosmopolitan suburb of Australias largest city- port , Sydney, during the late 60s and early 70s. On the subjects of Thai weed , Afghan and Nepali hash , Indonesian hash oil and all the other famous goodies of that era he's a bona fide expert . Same as acid . He knows way more than I do on all those subjects . You cant beat the big city and the right era for getting first shot at all the best imported gear. He was there , he smoked em, he dropped em. I might know what they are and have smoked all of them but never the amount he did. There used to be a LOT of hash imported here once, same as Thai weed. The dealers,customers closest to where it was imported from get first shot at consuming it. The big city port in other words.

To put it simply a bloke that say grew up in London smoking hash in the 60s and 70s had better access to that stuff than anyone else in the west then . Proximity and access. We had that with thai in the 70s. New York being the western worlds biggest port fulfils all the requirements visa vis scoring imported " luxuries" . I'd imagine if you had the connections you could score anything there. Then you have the upstate new york hippie culture from the 60s and the arts types - scene as well. All keen drug users with a near century long history of taking stuff.For all I know probably longer Cheers mate.
 
First smoke of thai ...

Was in 1982 , i was 14 ,
my sister lived with a hippie/biker type of guy ,
who toked all the time , id seen him with caps of oil , hash etc ,,
id promised the sister i wouldnt sample the erbs till i was 16 ,, but ..

the brother inlaw rolled a one paper joint from a thai stick he had scored ,
he had a few tokes and passed it to me ,
he said keep toking till you feel its affect ,,
so i did ,,
i finished the joint ,, and nothing ..
he rolled another , again i finished it ,, nothing ,,
he was red eyed and grinning at me ,,
saying "come on man , ,surely that did something""
"get up and move around a bit " he said to me grinning all the while ...

so i got up and walked toward the kitchen where my sister was cooking a lamb roast ,
i stepped down the kitchen step ,, and BOOM it hit me ,,
i was suddenly in another world ,
everything looked different ,, smelt different ,, the sound was amplified x 5 ,
a huge grin came to my face ,, and a feeling of tranquility , peace , bliss ..

that night i ate the best lamb roast ive ever had ,
but from above the table it seemed rather than the seat i was sitting in ,
i realised what the meaning of "high" was ...
 
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