The Great Cheese Deception

[orangutang]

So tell us what desirable traits Cheese has beyond:

1. easy to clone
2. easy to grow
3. always stinks the same

apart from that it's a poor representation of skunk, there are several much better cuttings in the UK that are similar.

People who think Cheese is really good weed obviously don't know what really good weed is, this is the end result of 20 years of inbreeding depression leading to all the commercial seeds out there now being watered down versions.

Remember, the Cheese wasn't selected, it was found by a couple of guys doing one of their first grows and they ignorantly thought all the females would be the same so they only cloned one of them. This was well before it began flowering so it was a random pick.

Having grown plenty of derivations of skunk dating back to the 80s and a couple from the 70s, I know for a fact that Cheese is a very substandard plant compared to the best that Skunk has to offer. Sure, the current versions of Skunk being sold by the Dutchies are all watered down homogenised inbred garbage and by comparison Cheese does seem good.

People old and experienced enough to know how much the quality of commercial seeds has declined can clearly see what a joke the current offerings are, and when 'breeders' are spouting off how Cheese is great then it's not going to change anytime soon. Cheese represents the bare minimum of quality to be acceptable as good weed, because there is a lot of worse shit on the market people have been fooled into thinking Cheese is special. It isn't, it's at the bottom of the spectrum of good and there are several levels of quality above Cheese that are getting harder and harder to obtain because 'breeders' are full of shit these days and almost all of them don't know what they're doing.

When your goal is to stabilise mediocrity then the best you can expect is sarcastic laughter, how the hell can someone like rockster be expected to breed anything good when he thinks Cheese is really good? It beggars belief that people will swallow this bollocks, just shows how long it's been since there were top notch seed varieties for sale.

 

[oahno]

I dunno cheese is really good for crossing to fruity strains i think. I've had really good cheese crosses personally sogouda from soma, dairy queen from tga & rks from reserva privada all have been really dank stuff imho. The original cheese cut is lacking in taste and stone but has really good qualities for breeding so why all the hate?

 

[JabberJaw]

So tell us what desirable traits Cheese has beyond:

1. easy to clone
2. easy to grow
3. always stinks the same

apart from that it's a poor representation of skunk, there are several much better cuttings in the UK that are similar.

People who think Cheese is really good weed obviously don't know what really good weed is, this is the end result of 20 years of inbreeding depression leading to all the commercial seeds out there now being watered down versions.

Remember, the Cheese wasn't selected, it was found by a couple of guys doing one of their first grows and they ignorantly thought all the females would be the same so they only cloned one of them. This was well before it began flowering so it was a random pick.

Having grown plenty of derivations of skunk dating back to the 80s and a couple from the 70s, I know for a fact that Cheese is a very substandard plant compared to the best that Skunk has to offer. Sure, the current versions of Skunk being sold by the Dutchies are all watered down homogenised inbred garbage and by comparison Cheese does seem good.

People old and experienced enough to know how much the quality of commercial seeds has declined can clearly see what a joke the current offerings are, and when 'breeders' are spouting off how Cheese is great then it's not going to change anytime soon. Cheese represents the bare minimum of quality to be acceptable as good weed, because there is a lot of worse shit on the market people have been fooled into thinking Cheese is special. It isn't, it's at the bottom of the spectrum of good and there are several levels of quality above Cheese that are getting harder and harder to obtain because 'breeders' are full of shit these days and almost all of them don't know what they're doing.

When your goal is to stabilise mediocrity then the best you can expect is sarcastic laughter, how the hell can someone like rockster be expected to breed anything good when he thinks Cheese is really good? It beggars belief that people will swallow this bollocks, just shows how long it's been since there were top notch seed varieties for sale.

I thought we already established you are totally full of shit and their is no way you are a grower or breeder your knowledge is obviously too limited to be one. You have presented,again,with no evidence or proof aside from your arrogance and spewing of untruths, a story no one believes.

I believe you are one of those people who likes to find faults in things that are popular just so you can get your rocks off, whether its true or not. My belief is if this were a thread about world peace you would find something to complain about. Your arrogance knows no bounds, you believe you know better then thousands of growers and breeders and countless smokers as I stated earlier.

In my opinion you are a complete liar and now are way out of your league. Do yourself a favor and just stop, no one is buying your crap, stop selling crazy man. Truth is if you dont like the original cheese, chances are you have never really smoked it. I am very tired of making you look stupid, really its like firing on an unarmed person. I will not reply to another one of your lame posts, and unlike you I really mean it. LOL! Man you are a joke!

 

[orangutang]

You're not making me look stupid, you're just showing everyone what an asshole you are.

Instead of attacking me why not try and answer my questions?

Cheese is not great, it's average, mediocre, 6 out of 10, that's not arrogance, that's the truth.

 

[coop]

how do you feel about other vars of skunk or super skunk?

 

[orangutang]

Hi coop, are you asking me?

Skunk covers a wide spectrum, in the less worked versions you can pull out 13-14 week giant fluffy Mexican types that I like a lot.

Super Skunk was very good stuff, too stony for my tastes but in other aspects it is a big improvement of skunk - better density, yield, resin, potency, yet it retained the skunk type smells and tastes, it was the most popular weed to grow for a few years, there are still cuttings of it around in the UK, just people have changed the names over the years.

Skunk#1 itself, it depends how inbred, highly inbred versions like The Pure are homogenised and not very good, think cheese without the smell and with more yield.

There's an orangey skunk#1 cutting I like a lot, tastes is very nice and it grows really dense nuggetty buds, not that potent but very pleasant.

No skunk#1 is that potent, 12-14% THC, the problem I have with all the modern skunks is they removed the character of the high so it's now such a flat, boring effect, perfect for council estate dossers and chavs, but if you want to be high, inspired, creative, any of the wonderful things cannabis can produce, look elsewhere.

The old less worked skunks had phenos with lot of character but they didn't fit into the 8-9 week chunky profile people wanted so they bred them out.

Skunk is old news, it was useful for breeding because it improved bud structure a lot, on it's own it was never anything special.

 

[coop]

yea i was just wondering how you would compare it to other similar cuts.

I've been looking for some green crack here which is some superskunk. Good skunk has always been one of my favs.

 

[rhinoman]

Hey Mr Orangutang lets see some pics.

 

[oahno]

This guy just said skunk is old news, that's pretty funny. Here I am thinking most strains today have skunk in them, crazy.

If you want a really good, tasty, creative skunk these days DNA have a Lemon Skunk which is truly high class.

 

[oahno]

sorry pics or it didn't happen

 

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[kashrocks]

Relax it is always interesting to see some pics and this even if they only tell you half of the story...

Here is the first cannabis plant I ever grew in the early 90s:

Sensi Seed Super Skunk

And a torture tested :

Cultivator's Choice Skunk#1:

I do not think I have to mention which plant I would have wish to have kept to this day between those two.

Hopefully MNS Shit exists.

Lets just say Shit offers a good compromise between the two.

Someting like the best of both world...

Peace.

K.

 

[orangutang]

No idea which you preferred, hard to tell from the pics. Super Skunk was good stuff, just not to my tastes.

This is the orangey skunk1 pheno that is still around as a cutting, yields good with dense nuggets of bud, not that potent, but then no skunk is, has a nice effect though, soothing.

 

[kashrocks]

No idea which you preferred, hard to tell from the pics. Super Skunk was good stuff, just not to my tastes.

IMO at least Super Skunk wasn't weak as CC Skunk#1.

It had a real powerful skunky smell worthy of its name...

Without counting that I do not remember in SSk to have found hermies as it is typical with CC Sk#1.

Peace.

K.

 

[orangutang]

Where did you get the Cultivator's Choice Sk1? I grew the freebies Gypsy threw from the balcony of the Melkweg and I also had hermies, I even had a male grow pistils.

Super Skunk imho is a big improvement on Sk1, it's more potent, denser, yields more, stinks more, but I doubt you'll find a really good Super Skunk anymore. Shit might be similar, Nordle might be too, not tried either as Skunk ain't really my thing.

The best skunky cuttings in the UK I've tried both had no name, one is very stinky indeed and I think it's NL5Sk1, grew it side by side with the Cheese years ago and it was better, I think it got passed round by some young uns as Cheese as I've encountered 'cheese' buds that I'm sure are from that cutting, it's skunky but also berry smelling, doesn't have the stale sweat aroma of Cheese. The other one is probably an Afghan dom Super Skunk, it has a similar stink to Cheese but flowers in 55 days, yields more, stretches less and is a fair bit denser, a tad more resin too. If it's not Super Skunk it will be some other skunk x afghan cross.

This is the one I think is Super Skunk. Suffered bad K def when I started flushing, hence the brown necrotic spots on the leaves.

 

[orangutang]

Found a pic of the berry smelling one I think is a sk1 dom nl5sk1, this was done organically in soil so didn't blow up but in hydro it is a large yielder, stinks more than the cheese cutting, I chopped a crop of this at 52 days once because it completely overwhelmed by carbon filter, it needs 65 like the cheese but was still good at 52, I sold it all and people were convinced it was cheese but it definitely isn't, I'm sure in the last few years people have passed this one round as cheese, especially in Manchester and the NW where there was a lot of this berry smelling 'cheese' around a few years back. Not only does this cutting stink more than cheese, it's a fair bit more potent as well, seen it retard people in short order many times.

 

[kashrocks]

The best skunky cuttings in the UK I've tried both had no name, one is very stinky indeed and I think it's NL5Sk1,

Shiva Sk was very good indeed but I prefered the taste of Silver Pearl...

Sensi Seed Silver Pearl and Shiva Skunk 1994​

Peace.

K.

PS-The CC Sk#1 came from Gypsy I managed to get circa 100 of them during the 2004 Cup (Thank you Mark)...only grminated 30 of them since.
I had already grown TFD The Pure several times before that and they had the same hermie problem.

 

[kashrocks]

Super Skunk imho is a big improvement on Sk1, it's more potent, denser, yields more, stinks more, but I doubt you'll find a really good Super Skunk anymore. Shit might be similar,

MNS Shit is Super Skunk X Skunk#1...

Peace.

K.

 

[orangutang]

I have never (knowingly) smoked or grown silver pearl.

I got lots of packs of those freebies from the 2004 cup, sk1 and durbanxsk1. Germ rates were very low and lots of hermies in both lines, Durban were mostly males.

I gave the remaining packs to a friend to grow in the south of France. I smoked the bud he got, seeded as he had hermies too, but it wasn't bad, skunk does well outdoors in a good climate.

Never grown the Pure personally but seen it in a few gardens.

There's a Shiva cutting still around, a friend had it recently, it's very strong and stony.

 

[orangutang]

MNS Shit is Super Skunk X Skunk#1...

Peace.

K.

That's what I thought. Nordle is Super Skunk x Super Skunk I think. Maybe it shares a parent with Shit.

There's a very Colombian dom Skunk#1 that takes 12 weeks I'd love to get my hands on, Dampkring were selling it as Alegria a few years back. I saw a room full of it in Holland and it is a yielder, big colas.

I had a similar but less good Colombian pheno out of Seedsman Sk1.