Thoughts about JADAM?

MImedpatient

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Right on you tube he gives thorough explains toon of making JWA (Jadam wetting agent)
I’m going to make some and test it.

if it works it willbe a game changer for me.
the youtube videos are great! having a written guide helps though. everyone learns different.

my problem with the bokashi bucket is that i was adding leftovers to it daily.
thats why you see some of the people promoting it have 3-4 buckets in their garage.

i think having an effective surfactant is important for pest management or foliar feeding.watering too. i don't really want to buy a commercial one and yucca extract can be pretty expensive.
NPK industries has the most affordable yucca extract I think. it is a dry powder.
 

musashi

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i think having an effective surfactant is important for pest management or foliar feeding.watering too. i don't really want to buy a commercial one and yucca extract can be pretty expensive.
A little goes a long way!

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MImedpatient

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Right on you tube he gives thorough explains toon of making JWA (Jadam wetting agent)
I’m going to make some and test it.

if it works it willbe a game changer for me.
I think everyone, even if they don't make anything from KNF or JADAM is the LABS. yeah wetting agent good. but none of us fully comprehend how vital the pickling bacteria is as food source, anaerobic outcompeter, enzyme excreter, compost accelerator, and as the symbiotes of your other symbiotes in the soil. and most of us are indoor gardeners. the pickling bacteria isn't constantly being reintroduced to our plants, our soils, or hydroponic mediums.
 

BuzzardsBay

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I think everyone, even if they don't make anything from KNF or JADAM is the LABS. yeah wetting agent good. but none of us fully comprehend how vital the pickling bacteria is as food source, anaerobic outcompeter, enzyme excreter, compost accelerator, and as the symbiotes of your other symbiotes in the soil. and most of us are indoor gardeners. the pickling bacteria isn't constantly being reintroduced to our plants, our soils, or hydroponic mediums.
I will study up on this.
 

MImedpatient

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I will study up on this.
there is surprisingly little research on it. Mr Cho started his personal research in the late 60s or early 70s I think. and it took until the early 2000's for it to get big from what I understand. and stuff was just starting to be translated to English from the Korean Universities a few years ago.
 

CannaFish

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I think everyone, even if they don't make anything from KNF or JADAM is the LABS. yeah wetting agent good. but none of us fully comprehend how vital the pickling bacteria is as food source, anaerobic outcompeter, enzyme excreter, compost accelerator, and as the symbiotes of your other symbiotes in the soil. and most of us are indoor gardeners. the pickling bacteria isn't constantly being reintroduced to our plants, our soils, or hydroponic mediums.
are you talking about what they call JMS?
 

CannaFish

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The natures harvest yucca extract at 45$/gallon comes to .17c to treat every gallon of water. Pretty cheap for a small grow.

I saw one yucca extract that came to about .48c to treat every gallon of water. That’s nuts.

NPK industries yucca powder is something like .03c to treat 1 gallon of water. They say 1/16 of teaspoon to treat 5 gallons.
 

MImedpatient

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The natures harvest yucca extract at 45$/gallon comes to .17c to treat every gallon of water. Pretty cheap for a small grow.

I saw one yucca extract that came to about .48c to treat every gallon of water. That’s nuts.

NPK industries yucca powder is something like .03c to treat 1 gallon of water. They say 1/16 of teaspoon to treat 5 gallons.
It does get that cheap. when you buy the larger bags. I currently am using the Ominas plant protein hydrolysate by them at 6 grams in a 60 gallon bucket of water to give me a small nitrogen boost, and help calcium uptake.
 

MImedpatient

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self correction. I always forget people have doctorate degrees. Was rereading the 1str pages of the KNF PDF. Dr. Cho. not Mr. Cho.
 

CannaFish

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When I looked at NPK’s “formulas” they recommended 1/16tsp to 1 gallon water, so that makes it about the same price per gallon of water as Neptune’s harvest.
 

MImedpatient

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When I looked at NPK’s “formulas” they recommended 1/16tsp to 1 gallon water, so that makes it about the same price per gallon of water as Neptune’s harvest.
that is also the max strength for that one I believe. like if you were to be using oily stuff. Most of the additives that company sells can be used way lower than it says. I am using the Ominas at 6 grams in a 60 gallon bucket of water to give some extra N while I cut back my base fertilizer as I think it has too much P and K an Calcium from smoking the flower, at the dosage I am using.

I am using veg bloom as my base right now.
 

MImedpatient

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so, this is my 1st time reading the JADAM PDF, I am more a KNF guy as I didn't see a need to expand past the sugar ferments for what I was/am doing.

Reading what Mr Cho, Son of Dr Cho writes, he has some slight misunderstandings of the roles of some organisms, and he is likely attempting to over simplify so as to get as many people to understand as possible. allow me to share with you, some of my viewing interests that help me to have a deeper microbial knowledge.

this channel does microscopy


this channel, teaches basic chemistry, and general science information in an understandable way, He also, debunks pseudoscience, and some creationists who misrepresent science. you have been warned. if that's not your thing, just watch the playlists for learning.


this channel does documentaries, about ancient earth. some of them will lead you to some ponderings about microbes, and the way they work as a team to help friends and kill competitors by accident.


Harley Smith gives good information, also search his name on youtube for his lectures where he gives a quick overview of the fertilizer from this brand, as they are general fertilizer knowledge.


this is Zenthanol. SynchAngel on instagram. he uses the big words to say simple things in precise ways. knows more about pests than most people I have encountered in person or online.

 

CannaFish

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@MImedpatient I like Harley and use raw brand fulvic and humic.
What do you think about using jadam’s formulas for prepping garden soil without tilling?
I think he says something about using it 4 times before planting.
I have an area I was thinking of using for a vegetable garden that’s been compacted by heavy tractor use.
 

MImedpatient

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@MImedpatient I like Harley and use raw brand fulvic and humic.
What do you think about using jadam’s formulas for prepping garden soil without tilling?
I think he says something about using it 4 times before planting.
I have an area I was thinking of using for a vegetable garden that’s been compacted by heavy tractor use.
Tilling, is for silly people. to help prep the soil, all you need is LABS, some compost, and some root vegetable seeds.

do a quick half inch till to kill the grass roots if there is grass, and put down root vegeTABLE SEED ASAP. water it in with LABs water, and toss some compost on it. after the root veges are growing good, you take the mower and kill the tops and bury them with more compost. next year, depending on root chosen, you can have 5-12 inches of loosened soil and compost. I like carrots, or long radishes. Daikon is often used for this. Read the One Straw Revolution for the creator of this methods tips and guidance on the practice of using plants to do work.
 

CannaFish

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I was aware of daikon and one straw. I’ll have to keep learning about the labs. I think I read most of one straw. Great info and good at changing perspectives but a little too idealistic for my reality.
I remember something about the hardest packed of soils can actually cause the daikon to lift out of the soil.
 

MImedpatient

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I was aware of daikon and one straw. I’ll have to keep learning about the labs. I think I read most of one straw. Great info and good at changing perspectives but a little too idealistic for my reality.
I remember something about the hardest packed of soils can actually cause the daikon to lift out of the soil.
I agree. idealism is great, but reality and ideals do not always meet.

Not just diakon's! it can happen w/ any tap root vegetable!!!! even dandelions and spikeweed/thistle(not sure if multiple types of thistle or spike weed)
 

BuzzardsBay

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JaDam is the progression of KNF into more cost effective, less sugar dependent processes. that being said, you silly man! you download the free PDF's 1st, and then if you feel that Mr Cho and his son deserve your money, then you buy the books.


We are making acids, bases. and w/ the alcohol extractions, we are pulling out potentially harmful to us compounds. like w/ the cayenne pepper pesticide from the unconventional farmer website. like w/ tactical pepper spray, that shit is a chemical weapon. I wouldn't doubt that someone could make stuff that is caustic to the skin.

the instagram community for KNF/Jadam is pretty helpful. some of the people who were learning w/ me back in the early days of KNF experimentation like the_worlds_last_hope, now teach classes on this. companies sell the fertilizers and pesticides now.

like the fertilizer recipes I posted, are how I did the Unconventional farmer/KNF stuff for my 1st few batches.

I never made the entire OHN lineup. only garlic, ginger and cinnamon.

I never made fermented sea water, although I have a bag of Sea 90, and could make a very close approximation as someone surrounded by fresh water on 3 sides.

I think that buying and applying bokashi powder is silly, it is made so that you can start a dry culture bucket for fermenting meats, cheeses, and other non compostable items like bones so you can compost them, and not attract racoons, coyotes, rats and opossums to your compost pile. If you are gonna use bokashi bran as innoculant, just use LABS or EM1 if purchasing.

You DO NOT NEED TO MAKE YOUR OWN FISH HYDROLYSATE. it is very stinky, and your neighbors will be mad at you. you can purchase any fish hydrolysate product and it is roughly the same thing. enzymatically digested fish juice. that being said, for those who live in rural areas, and often have to kill large amounts of pest mammals, like rats. maybe non poison traps, and a big ole bucket of fermenting rat bodies will tell the rats to keep out the barn. This year, we could be making Cicada ferments.

the fermented compost intrigued me, but I did not see the point when at the time, I had such a robust soil cycling set up going, I could just take handfuls of worm castings and use that as the base fertilizer w/ compost teas.

Think of KNF and Jadam as just more ways to compost and do DIY its not some magical crazy voodoo "makes the weed the dankest it can be" system like some people make it out to be. literally Mr. Cho was like "holy shit, my mom's vegetable garden where she dumps the old pickled vegetable juices is like, 8 times as fertilize as the rest of the garden. lets see if its cuz of the pickles." and he was right. and it does increase the quality of your cannabis harvests. especially if you were having difficulty perfecting organics.

It is a wonderful cost saving regiment to add to your garden. and some stuff, like well strained LABS, and the fruit and plant ferments, again well strained, can even be used in hydroponics, and in aquaponics. saving money = making money. saved money can be used to buy luxury goods, like wagyu beef. or upgrades to the farm, garden, or home.

Like I said in many of the posts talking about this, the more poor your soil, compost, or fertilizer regimen was before you start doing KNF or Jadam, the more of a benefit you will see. Some people, who have been growing organically since the 90's saw little additional increase to the fertility of their Cannabis or vegetable gardens or farms. others who were at it just as long, saw amazing increases. new growers see amazing results almost consistently enough to be able to suggest it instead of suggesting purchasing fertilizer.

Basically ALL THE LIVING THINGS ON EARTH LIKE PICKLING ENZYMES, AND ARE FRIENDS WITH THE PICKLING BACTERIA. BECASUE PICKLES ARE FUCKING WONDERFUL. SORRY FOR CAPS TYPING. BUT ITS THE TRUTH. IT MUST BE SHOUTED FROM THE ROOFTOPS!
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