Vlad the Inhaler
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NL#5 in Ortega
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Vlad the Inhaler
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As Canna said Nevil didn't rate the US cut.
He makes that very clear
The cut he used in Holland was the one that went on to produce the haze lines he released, and therefore the mango lines also
And the shiva work.
Also jack herer line
It would be very surprising for Nevil to have been wasting efforts breeding to what he thought to be inferior jeans
Vlad the Inhaler
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When I started to smoke haze at parties in 1990 it was awkward.
Lots of occasional smokers thought it was dosed with PCP and got kind of weird afterwards, like they were getting spiked.
I don't see many ppl reporting A5/Malawi that way.
Lots of occasional smokers thought it was dosed with PCP and got kind of weird afterwards, like they were getting spiked.
I don't see many ppl reporting A5/Malawi that way.
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I would think he would've crossed it to NL#1 and maybe NL#2 to find a better NL#5 or something similar to his, in other words rengineer/reconstruct his NL#5.
Vlad the Inhaler
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Reconstruct his NL5 cut from the US cut and a nl2/nl1 stud?
Why would he waste his effort to re-engineer what he had?
The MNS Ortega seedstock came from the time that Nevil still had his *preferred* cut of NL5.
At that time he had reversed and/or was back crossing towards a pure release of his *preferred* nl5 cut.
From the way he described it, he disregarded the US cut, so why would he work it?
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Maybe to explore the line more?
I know there's a post here somewhere claiming Nevil's NL#5 x NL#1 uses the USNL5 cutting.
Which is what prompted me to ask my question.
Nevil himself left the possibility open
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Vlad the Inhaler
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I can understand why people want to preserve the line now.
But Nevil was using his original to develop other stuff with back then.
He says one of the things he enjoyed about her was that she didn't dominate the chemotype or terps too much, but seemed to add a lot of resin and formation to the cross.
He also is quite clear how little he rated the US line.
Everybody wants to believe there are amazing undiscovered old cornerstone genetics preserved out there, just waiting to be tapped in to.
That's ok to believe something is possible, it's called faith.
When you want to continue to believe something when evidence is around to disprove you, then it's now just delusion, unfortunately.
That's why I raised ace's A5.
If their A5 was anywhere near what it should be then hundreds of breeders would be dropping hybrids from their work.
But the A5 S1 (ibl now ?) crosses don't really do justice to what haze was, do they?
Nice smoke and all, but no-one is sharting the bed on it, are they.
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That's where you're misunderstanding me. I am not posting statements, I am merely asking questions to understand more. There's no delusion here buddy.
Nevil's NL#5 is better suited for breeding rather then smoking, which is what I use her for.
As for that killer NL#5 everyone talks about? It's more then likely Nevil's old NL#5 x NL#1.
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Vlad the Inhaler
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I was speaking s bit more generalised about the delusion.
His original 89 haze*nl F1 is about the most celebrated smoke in retail breed history.
Not a bad smoke hey.
You reckon his nl5 was better as a breeder than a smoke?
How long ago did you start smoking?
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Vlad the Inhaler
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Nevil is pretty clear that he didn't give a copy of his nl5 out to anyone.
So anyone working his nl5 would have to be working from S1.
After 30+ years how many gens old are the S1 cuts?
S4?
S8?
Ibl by now?
Certainly not with the same zing as an original F1 had.
Half the world's stuff was bred off of Nev's original cut.
Quality stood out, obviously.
If the *legendary true NL 5* was up to the hype, why isn't it leveraged more often in modern breeding?
So anyone working his nl5 would have to be working from S1.
After 30+ years how many gens old are the S1 cuts?
S4?
S8?
Ibl by now?
Certainly not with the same zing as an original F1 had.
Half the world's stuff was bred off of Nev's original cut.
Quality stood out, obviously.
If the *legendary true NL 5* was up to the hype, why isn't it leveraged more often in modern breeding?
axiom
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Here’s one to chew on mull over or just add lib as you go.
Sensi Seeds sells Northern Lights Seeds and has for decades.
What they growing?
Definitely not NL5
But the seeds are extremely large as per Nevils remarks to his NL1 line
Large seeds
coarse plant.
Ok that should be good for at least one page...
I remember this type of questions going on ever since
The Day Shantibaba released his Ortega seed.
Damn fine herb
Sensi Seeds sells Northern Lights Seeds and has for decades.
What they growing?
Definitely not NL5
But the seeds are extremely large as per Nevils remarks to his NL1 line
Large seeds
coarse plant.
Ok that should be good for at least one page...
I remember this type of questions going on ever since
The Day Shantibaba released his Ortega seed.
Damn fine herb
where did shanti get the NL#5 to make Ortega? 
Original OP question.
"Hello Shanti, I have a question regarding the Ortega line.
Do you know if Nevil used the USNL#5 cutting in this cross? Or did he use his NL#5 cut?"
As I have said before, when Nevil or Sam are mentioned on this site, there is sure to be fireworks to follow. The thread started off innocently enough but wonder what the underlying motivation really was. Several years ago Nevil would have been able to put this question to bed. Unfortunately, we move in darkness today. It seems to me that the original description as given by Shanti does not reference a US anything. Obviously, making claims that cannot be substantiated is not going to get very far with this crew and trampling on member responses that do not align with one's thinking is not constructive. Changing the title of this thread and/or editing the first post to insult a member does nothing to further our understanding as to the originations of Ortega. Going forward, I suggest we leave our egos at the door, consider that we may not always be right all the time, and maintain some civility while trying to understand the nature of the question.
"Listen with ears of tolerance" ~Rumi
Mu#NightMare#
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I said that because its been said that nl#5 was resurected from nevils old seeds that were found by shanti labeled and dated nl5 1989. The original seeds wernt labeled 1989. Nevil did a pedigree chart and he clearly labeled the original diffrent . You'll find that info when there has been talk of remaking nl5xhaze, or maybe he ment the whole nl5haze haze been resurected from the original 89nl5haze seed. I dont know as theres way to many contradictions. By the way nevil had no input in plant breeding here so wouldn't know how things are made here, here shanti has stated this too. Still waiting for nevils contradictions or maybe thats just the way things are being understood.
Now il just go back to the simpler things in life, were there strait forwards.
Now il just go back to the simpler things in life, were there strait forwards.
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. From now on I will only buy Runtz, Dosi, Cookie, (enter hype garbage name here) genetics.
I hope you figure out what you are looking for
There are so many fine cultivars to choose from these days. Old timers would have wet their pants and lost their minds trying to decide. The Grail is whatever you want it to be. Follow your bliss and don’t forget to share!
Mu
quinxstar
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like i say in another threat
NL#2
strange i always thinking NL was a pure afghan Nope. Its got Thai, and the Hawaiian side is Mexican. The person that supplied Greg McCallister still has the original genetics, and is still alive, and kicking. Original NL5 is a Sativa Pheno Structure. Not a small plant. Radagasfarmer on...
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for me the nothern light
is a hybrid it was created in seattle in indoors condition
i dont remember the name of the guy
with afghans
quinxstar
'21, '23 COE Winner
There are so many fine cultivars to choose from these days. Old timers would have wet their pants and lost their minds trying to decide. The Grail is whatever you want it to be. Follow your bliss and don’t forget to share!
i says to him the clone no longer exist