NL#5 in Ortega

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RocketBoy

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Hello Shanti, I have a question regarding the Ortega line.
Do you know if Nevil used the USNL#5 cutting in this cross? Or did he use his NL#5 cut?"
 
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RocketBoy said:
Hello Shanti, I have a question regarding the Ortega line.

Do you know if Nevil used the USNL#5 cutting in this cross? Or did he use his NL#5 cut?
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have you look the strain description ?



Ortega was originally made a little different from Nevil when he was doing his Seedbank thing with Sensi. Shantibaba made a selection from NL#1 and NL#5, utilizing an old school set of seeds from the 1980’s
 
quinxstar said:
have you look the strain description ?



Ortega was originally made a little different from Nevil when he was doing his Seedbank thing with Sensi. Shantibaba made a selection from NL#1 and NL#5, utilizing an old school set of seeds from the 1980’s
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Shanti made a selection from NL#1 x NL#5 seeds sold to him by Nevil... Yea it still doesn't answer my question. At one point Nevil had more then one NL#5 clone and different NL#5 seed lines.
 
RocketBoy said:
Shanti made a selection from NL#1 x NL#5 seeds sold to him by Nevil... Yea it still doesn't answer my question. At one point Nevil had more then one NL#5 clone and different NL#5 seed lines.
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if shanti do a selection is the clones no longer exist
 
Good luck.

Ortega has been described as having several different breeding scenarios.

Same as the other threads trying to prove lineage. :/

The proof is in the plants.
 
CannaFish said:
nice plants! can you explain the pedigree of ortega and NL5bx8 to me? it would be nice if Shantibaba showed us Nevil's notes on the NL lines.
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There's a lot of ignorant people in this website that don't know jack shhh about anything, yet give their statements like it's the final word. (This is not towards you CannaFish)

@CannaFish

Nevils Northern lights #5 Bx8 =

NL#5 x (NL#5 x (NL#5 x (NL#5 x (NL#5 x (NL#5 x (NL#5 x (NL#5 x (R.1x1))))))))

R.1 x 1 = NL #1 x (NL#1 x Ruderalis)

As for Ortega, only Shanti would know.
 
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LOL. Ignorance can get obscured by false beliefs as well. ;)

Did you make it? If not, it's down to who you choose to believe. The industry has been borderline illegal since it's inception, and as a result much of the information has been purposely misrepresented.

SOME is accurate I'm sure. How does one parse it? Maybe you have found the key to differentiate. If so, what is it?

I choose to look at the plants and those that have worked with them. Shanti has had a stable of great plants for decades now. Even if you were to look at the breeding written out, it leaves out the most important ingredient: SELECTION.

I do wish you good luck.
 
RocketBoy said:
this is from Nevil's NL#5 Bx8 project line.
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Totally different from Ortega.
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How did you get seeds for this project line?

NL1 seeds from AK Bean Brain?

I hope you figure out what you are looking for :)

Nevil

I'm a pedigree buff. This becomes real important when line breeding or inbreeding. Doubling up on certain ancestors or parts of a pedigree can radically alter the outcome. It's a means of pushing probability in the direction you want. Unknowingly doubling up on certain ancestors may give you unexpected and sometimes undesirable results. like what? please inform the uninformed! I try to avoid this, breeding is hard enough as it is. your namesake line isa 75%haze even if you did use different males I tend to avoid the work of people who obfuscate im unclear what yer saying in this post hehe ancestries in order to make it seem like they were born clutching a handful of seeds that nobody else has, when in fact they mostly hybridised strains that I released. sir, you released hybridized strains you collected in north americaCall it "orgasmic cascade" for all I care, you bred it you get to call it what you want, but the moment someone lies about the pedigree, mostly for purposes of self aggrandisement, I can't take them seriously any more. Or their work. agreedThe original Bubblegum was pretty good, I thought it was BB.SKxNL5.SK. Isn't the Blueberry descended from that? Who knows with fantasy pedigrees, but I'd take it to Critical Mass, which also contained the BB.SK, which is where the bubblegum flavours came from. If you create something great, good luck trying to work out what made it click. wtf are you talking about here?N.
like what? please inform the uninformed! I
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If you unintentionally inbreed to an undesirable plant (say Afghani#1) you will skew the results in favour of the inbred plant.
sir, you released hybridized strains you collected in north america
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Like every one else I used lines I got from someone else, but I never deliberately lied about the ancestry, which is my complaint.
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CannaFish said:

aome strains descriptions need some correction, imo.

as afghanT and ort15 would both be cuts, already being selected and used for breeding, it would be impossible for ortega to be afghanT x ortega15, even if those parents are still around. shantibaba said HE selected ortega from old seeds of nevils, which those are we are unsure of as of yet...
www.mrnice.nl

couple of answers for me in the above thread. Sounds like Ortega is Shanti’s selection of NL5 crossed with NL1.
That satisfies my interest. The proof is in the seed as we know. If they are as narcotic as Nevil and shanti both say they are then I’ll be very happy.
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Can confirm they are narcotic. Especially the NL1 dom pheno.... Vaped a half gram of it before bed yesterday.... Slept like a baby an still felt it when I woke up this morning....
It's not the dominant pheno but easy to spot... Shortest plants with a kush type of smell.
 
RocketBoy said:
Yes.

89NL5 from Mel
NL1 from AK
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If shantis using nl5 from seed they would be from the same batch as yours (only your are from mel wich were further worked)as I ive seen shanti give the 89 date and nl#5 labeled seeds found in nevils old stash. The original bach was from earlier.
 
LOL, I personally don't care to do your work for you. try a google search. It's pretty well documented if you just search. I don't care so much because I ALWAYS assume that the lineage might not be what is claimed. That's why I say it's the plants that tell the story.
 
So say if I had something from nevil whose pedigrees I know are 100% acurate. For example nl5x haze f1 and I wanted to breed something reinforcing the nl5 you tell me from the pedigrees you know nowdays what wil do that. I need something one generation removed to achive what I want ? Every single seed you plant for flower no mater were it comes from has it own individual strengths and weekness the proof of that is in every single seed but when it comes to breeding its a whole different ball game. Especially when wanting to breed properly. Knowing accurate pedegrees helps things a whole lot. Why do you think the seeds from mr nice had the reputation they did, because they came from seeds with accurate pedigrees enabling proper breeding if done the proper way. You may have seen inconsistencies in nevils pedigrees but I didnt and im sure those who used them to find master pieces and breed master pieces didnt either otherwise they wouldn't have been used.
 
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