The Grey Man
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I have just finished a SSH grow from a packet of Mr Nice Seeds.
I planted all 18 of the seeds and they all sprouted (shot glass method with a 2 hour soak. Pure RO water.)
From those I got 7 females.
I used Plant Magic 'Old Timer's' organic range of nutrients but without extras. I used RO water and pH adjusted with hard water from my fish tank.
I have much experience with haze and her hybrids and love the Mango Haze, in particular. I have grown many many of Shanti's seeds (and Nev's too..) I have also grown much SSH over the years but not for a good while now.
The grow was in a tent with equal pressure in and out. Fans blow the hot air up from the bottom to the top (away from the plants) where it is extracted.
I used 2 600w Gavita Pros. Unbelievable lights. Anybody wondering why they don't get 1 gram/watt should switch to these lights.
The grow went OK. I went away for a week, during which time neglect and abuse occurred. The temps got too high for another week due to a window getting jammed and the plants grew into the lights and I had to chop their heads off.
Despite these problems, the plants carried on growing and producing.
2 plants were very single cola dominant, like sativa versions of a Northern Lights plant. One of these smelt and tasted very bland and was a decent but dull smoke. It went 8 weeks. The other smelt much more like a haze plant. Sweet/sour and very pleasant but not too strong in smell at all. Untidy looking. It went 11 weeks. Neither were keepers but the 11 weeker was worthwhile.
3 plants were like tall stretchy skunk plants. They all tasted very bland and had not much smell at all. Strength was OK. 9, 11 and 12 weeks. The 9 and 12 weekers were strong enough but dull. The 11 weeker had a slight haze flavour and slightly stronger smell (so far - it is still curing but not improving in terms of flava...) None were keepers but the 11 weeker was worthwhile. When dried they looked dark and over hairy.
At this point it is worth noting a few things:
# Even though I have not thought much of some of these phenos myself, all of the final product from these plants so far mentioned have been received perfectly well with the general public who have tried it.
# The 8, 9 and 11 weekers yielded about 5 ozs each, on average (almost exactly - 1 gram over!) The 11 and 12 weekers look slightly bigger. At a guess an ounce more each, maybe 6 ozs.
# The weather has been wretched for weeks but there has been no mould whatsoever on these plants. The same cannot be said for some other plants I have been growing (MasterKush/Skunk and UK Pineapple.)
# I have not been totally attentive to these plants and once dialled in could do much better with them.
# None of the plants so far mentioned have been hay.
So that is 5 of the 7 plants out of the way.
That leaves the 2 much more sativa phenos. One looked more hazy but both were very much sativas.
Both had much more resin on them than the other plants. It was a carpeting of tiny silver resin glands which you would recognise immediately if you had grown much Super Silver Haze or Mango Haze.
Both smelt much better during the grow than the others. The Hazy one was sweet the other spicy. The smells of both plants intensified considerably during drying.
Hazy - to any haze lover this plant smells divine. Grapefruit juice, soap, strawberries and flowers. Classic Super Silver Haze smell. The smell is very intense and getting stronger and better. Addictive smell. The plant went 12 weeks.The yield is huge. 9 ounces. The branches were floppy and this was the biggest plant. It is still curing. This is a classic Super Silver Haze plant. Stunning.
Altenative - this plant didn't smell as much during the grow as the other one and smelt more spicy/leathery. This changed as soon as the plant started drying when the smell just grew and grew. To be honest, I preferred the other one at first but kept this one because it was a true sativa and had that classic resin profile which I recognised. That was a good call because it is possibly my Holy Grail. At first its smell was very unusual. It was very smokey but specifically Cedar, like Cedar smoked Bavarian cheese! I've not smelt a plant like that before EVER. As the plant dried and cured the smell got stronger but also changed. Cedar wood, leather, dried apricots and skunk. The resin glistens on the perfect flowers and each flower cluster has stretched in such a way as to make it look like the plant has dreadlocks made out of weed. Each calyx is an individual silver ball and the buds are large, fox-tailed but solid. It is a thing of real beauty. 11 weeks but could be 10 with clones. As each day passes the aromas change and intensify. Incredible. Yield 6-9 ozs.
I haven't smoked either of these plants yet as SSH sativas are much much better when cured for at least 6 weeks. I know what the first will be like as it is a classic SSH plant and I can't wait but the other one...'Dreadlock Haze' has more Skunk in there but is very much a sativa. It has massive resin. I know it will be superb but the exact high..... if it is as complex as the aroma it will be AMAZING. Time will tell...
Final Thoughts:
When growing any haze hybrid from seed you are looking for 1 keeper. You may have to go through many plants before you find it and some of the non-keepers can be crap. The quality of those plants is immaterial. The only thing you care about is the quality of the one you keep. With SSH many of the plants can be bland, with the indica phenos being weaker, generally. You are looking for a 10, 11 or 12 weeker with a very impressive resin profile and more distinct smell. Having said that, all the plants work, non are hay.
There is no point in judging this variety by the non-keepers and not even much point in describing them. Anybody who cannot afford the time or space to grow plants which may not be wanted should either choose another variety or beg cuttings of a keeper from a good friend!
I consider myself lucky to find 2 beauties but haven't smoked either yet...either has the potential to be my Holy Grail, so far so good.
Pictured is a bud from the haze pheno keeper.
I planted all 18 of the seeds and they all sprouted (shot glass method with a 2 hour soak. Pure RO water.)
From those I got 7 females.
I used Plant Magic 'Old Timer's' organic range of nutrients but without extras. I used RO water and pH adjusted with hard water from my fish tank.
I have much experience with haze and her hybrids and love the Mango Haze, in particular. I have grown many many of Shanti's seeds (and Nev's too..) I have also grown much SSH over the years but not for a good while now.
The grow was in a tent with equal pressure in and out. Fans blow the hot air up from the bottom to the top (away from the plants) where it is extracted.
I used 2 600w Gavita Pros. Unbelievable lights. Anybody wondering why they don't get 1 gram/watt should switch to these lights.
The grow went OK. I went away for a week, during which time neglect and abuse occurred. The temps got too high for another week due to a window getting jammed and the plants grew into the lights and I had to chop their heads off.
Despite these problems, the plants carried on growing and producing.
2 plants were very single cola dominant, like sativa versions of a Northern Lights plant. One of these smelt and tasted very bland and was a decent but dull smoke. It went 8 weeks. The other smelt much more like a haze plant. Sweet/sour and very pleasant but not too strong in smell at all. Untidy looking. It went 11 weeks. Neither were keepers but the 11 weeker was worthwhile.
3 plants were like tall stretchy skunk plants. They all tasted very bland and had not much smell at all. Strength was OK. 9, 11 and 12 weeks. The 9 and 12 weekers were strong enough but dull. The 11 weeker had a slight haze flavour and slightly stronger smell (so far - it is still curing but not improving in terms of flava...) None were keepers but the 11 weeker was worthwhile. When dried they looked dark and over hairy.
At this point it is worth noting a few things:
# Even though I have not thought much of some of these phenos myself, all of the final product from these plants so far mentioned have been received perfectly well with the general public who have tried it.
# The 8, 9 and 11 weekers yielded about 5 ozs each, on average (almost exactly - 1 gram over!) The 11 and 12 weekers look slightly bigger. At a guess an ounce more each, maybe 6 ozs.
# The weather has been wretched for weeks but there has been no mould whatsoever on these plants. The same cannot be said for some other plants I have been growing (MasterKush/Skunk and UK Pineapple.)
# I have not been totally attentive to these plants and once dialled in could do much better with them.
# None of the plants so far mentioned have been hay.
So that is 5 of the 7 plants out of the way.
That leaves the 2 much more sativa phenos. One looked more hazy but both were very much sativas.
Both had much more resin on them than the other plants. It was a carpeting of tiny silver resin glands which you would recognise immediately if you had grown much Super Silver Haze or Mango Haze.
Both smelt much better during the grow than the others. The Hazy one was sweet the other spicy. The smells of both plants intensified considerably during drying.
Hazy - to any haze lover this plant smells divine. Grapefruit juice, soap, strawberries and flowers. Classic Super Silver Haze smell. The smell is very intense and getting stronger and better. Addictive smell. The plant went 12 weeks.The yield is huge. 9 ounces. The branches were floppy and this was the biggest plant. It is still curing. This is a classic Super Silver Haze plant. Stunning.
Altenative - this plant didn't smell as much during the grow as the other one and smelt more spicy/leathery. This changed as soon as the plant started drying when the smell just grew and grew. To be honest, I preferred the other one at first but kept this one because it was a true sativa and had that classic resin profile which I recognised. That was a good call because it is possibly my Holy Grail. At first its smell was very unusual. It was very smokey but specifically Cedar, like Cedar smoked Bavarian cheese! I've not smelt a plant like that before EVER. As the plant dried and cured the smell got stronger but also changed. Cedar wood, leather, dried apricots and skunk. The resin glistens on the perfect flowers and each flower cluster has stretched in such a way as to make it look like the plant has dreadlocks made out of weed. Each calyx is an individual silver ball and the buds are large, fox-tailed but solid. It is a thing of real beauty. 11 weeks but could be 10 with clones. As each day passes the aromas change and intensify. Incredible. Yield 6-9 ozs.
I haven't smoked either of these plants yet as SSH sativas are much much better when cured for at least 6 weeks. I know what the first will be like as it is a classic SSH plant and I can't wait but the other one...'Dreadlock Haze' has more Skunk in there but is very much a sativa. It has massive resin. I know it will be superb but the exact high..... if it is as complex as the aroma it will be AMAZING. Time will tell...
Final Thoughts:
When growing any haze hybrid from seed you are looking for 1 keeper. You may have to go through many plants before you find it and some of the non-keepers can be crap. The quality of those plants is immaterial. The only thing you care about is the quality of the one you keep. With SSH many of the plants can be bland, with the indica phenos being weaker, generally. You are looking for a 10, 11 or 12 weeker with a very impressive resin profile and more distinct smell. Having said that, all the plants work, non are hay.
There is no point in judging this variety by the non-keepers and not even much point in describing them. Anybody who cannot afford the time or space to grow plants which may not be wanted should either choose another variety or beg cuttings of a keeper from a good friend!
I consider myself lucky to find 2 beauties but haven't smoked either yet...either has the potential to be my Holy Grail, so far so good.
Pictured is a bud from the haze pheno keeper.
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