G13

[JessE]

Hey everyone,
I figured it was going to be done at some point in the future, so might as well get the ball rolling. G13 is probably one of the most heralded varietys of all time in the cannabis community. Its a variety that has obtained mythical and legandary proportions. Part of the mystique surrounding why this variety is so legendary is its said history. As the story goes, G13 is a government breed(developed, engineered even) variety from the University of Mississippi which apparently has authorization from the US government to do research on marijuana. This is a verifiable fact, that was recently reported on world wide by the AP. The story later goes on to say that G13 is a clone that was liberated from greenhouse #13, hentz the name G13. The clone is said to have circulated commercially around that area of the United States before making its way to Neville at the Seedbank. It is also a documented fact that Neville was the first to market the G13 to the masses in hybrid form because the G13 was only available in female clone form.

The hybrids Neville released included G13xSkunk#1, G13xNorthern Lights, G13xHashplant, G13xHaze and G13xWhite Widow, there may have infact been other hybrids released but that is just off the top of my head. You dont even have to be a marijuana user to know that G13 is said to be strong marijuana, infact that is another part of why it has achieved legendary status. Its potency is said to be quite strong, which gave the story even more creedance when the story was past on from stoner to stoner. This variety was even mentioned in the movie, "American Beauty" and was also outrageously priced! (I would have told that kid he was out of his mind personally).

So in summary so far, G13 has an interesting history on top of being quite powerful marijuana and it was released and ultimately made famous by Neville at the Seedbank in the 80's. Neville is said to have worked with Sensi seeds around the early 90s and the original G13 mother was lost. So the only varietys left that are traceable to the G13 that is responsible for the legend picking up steam are the subsequent hybrids he released to the public.

Fast forward to today, there are dozens of companies who claim to have a G-13 variety or G13 hybrid. Look no further then seedbanks like Doc Chronic and Gypsy Nirvana to find several companies advertizing a G13 line. Some of these G13s are mislabeled on purpose to mislead the customer. There is infact no such thing as a "G13" that is available to the public anymore. Only hybrids, so be aware when you see a company advertizing a hybrid as "G13 x grapefruit" for example. Because what you are realling dealing with is a G13 hybrid of unknown origin x grapefruit. The seedbanks are riddled with such claims and more all involving the original G13. To use an actual claim as an example of what to be suspicious of when researching are claims such as this one:

Scrappy2
Some years ago, mysterious seeds were inside the mailbox of my donor, with a california postmark on it.. The package contained seeds marked G-13.
He has bx'd This to the original Mom or "sport".
Now he is giving me a chance at her, because I believed in seeds of her since the early 80's. I knew there were seeds and they came to me eventually.
The product is virtually the same as what we bought in 1980 for 60 70 a quarter when skunk and humbolt were 45 and prevalent even in san diego...
I would always be asking when dudes brother in law was coming to visit from mississippi, where he worked for the university..
THis is not from him, but the same as what he had in 1980.
My pallatte remebers her....If this is a selected pheno it's damnn good work.
But I always heard there were seeds in the 70's. Seeds being held back and re-bred pure every few years or decade... Seeds to be given in the future.. The cuts were given freely in america at the time for those "in the know". The cuts were sent out
so every decade or so, whover was chosen to recieve a crack at the seeds would Know the pure from matching it to the cut.
The cuts were from a sport mutation and being an anomoly it was desireable to spread it in cut form... No seeds were guaranteed to produce a sport, so the seeds were stashed for posterity..
This is the truth I have gleaned from legend. This is the "best" you could find in so cal in the early 80's, by far.
I been growing her about 2 years or so..
My tolerance is hell, WE smoked a whole quarter round to half dollar round thai stick before school every day of ninth grade between 3 other people..
I know my bud...I was class of 80. so like from 1976 and 1977- about all i remeber is ronnie van zant died in a plane crash.
I knew back then id do this too, But could only dream of finding some seeds to the g-13 as they were held back and no-one admitted to having them.
It took a long time for me to pry any information out of the brother in law, but I got my story in the early 80's...
And i'm stickin to it.
tiedye

I write this not as an expert on G13, but as someone who was extremely interested in this variety due to is origins and legendary potency. I made it my business to understand who had some legitimate G13, and who had some mystery varietys labeled G13 but could offer nothing of substance to back up their claims of having such a variety. From what I understand, you can acquire hybrids legitimately related to the G13 from Sensi Seeds(G13xHashplant), Soma Seeds(G13xHaze male) and Mr. Nice seeds(G13xSkunk#1, G13xWidow). From reading the forums for years, it is generally agreed upon that the Sensi Seeds G13xHashplant aka Mr.Nice has lost some of its guster in recent years. Somas G13xHaze male is said to have been found in a small handful of seeds given to him by Ed Rosenthal which were in turn gifted to Ed by Neville(as I understand the story to be). This was a Haze dominant G13 hybrid, but non the less it has some legitimate claim in my eyes if the story is true. And there is the Mr. Nice G13 hybrids, which are infact worked on by Shantibaba and Neville here at the Mr. Nice camp. I dont think anything else needs to be said about this revelation.

Now as someone who wanted to put his money into the sure bet that what I was getting was G13, I did alot of research before looking to purchase the variety. Anytime you are looking to purchase a variety, you should do research first. I pretty much arrived to the conclusions I am stating here in this thread years ago, as it was clear where my best shot was at obtaining legitimate G13. Decyphering all of the propaganda out there on the net can be hard, there are alot of people who claim to have something but yet rely on nothing more then hearsay as evidence to their varietys supposid origin. As someone spending some money on a variety, hearsay isnt good enough for me. I want to know who has what, where they got it and if its worth the money they are asking for it. That to me is a perfectly logical line of thinking when considering a purchase on anything in reality.

There are varietys such as the LG13 and the Airbourne G13 which are said to be the real deal G13 cuts. But neither of these varietys can be authenticated as being legitimate, and in particular the LG13 bares little to no resemblence to the original G13 hyrbids. While the Airbourne G13 is said to be the G13xNorthern Lights hybrid Neville released years ago, again there is no solid evidence other then visual inspection to authenticate these claims. And there are folks who have varietys they call G13, sometimes multiple unrelated varietys they have labled G13 which infact are not related to the original G13 what so ever. Its just a name they picked, to identify an above average specimen. This is the case of Pacific G13, which I discussed at length with her privately and the information presented above were the results of my inquiry. There is also the Socal G13

Another semi-known G-13 is the SoCal G-13, which is said by a few to be better than the pacific/airbourne cuts, but the SoCal G-13 is a highly guarded clone kept in small circles supposedly, and you probably wont see it on the market anytime soon - unless someone like sugenite do some crosses like with the pure kush and sell it for 1000. Good luck with that though. lol

which many claim to be the real deal as well, but yet have nothing to offer other then hearsay about the authenticity of these varietys. While they may infact be good, there is little evidence to support their lineage.

In conclusion there are alot of companies and individuals claiming to have something they do not. Some of these claims, rely on hearsay only to authenticate the origins of their strains. While others are simply making stories up in an effort to sell a variety quicker, or in order to gain some type of fame or furtune by possessing something which is deemed rare and elusive. There are people who have something very special marijuana wise, but use the G13 monicur in an effort to promote their variety as something it is not. There are others who just want to take advantage of the legend of G13 to sell seeds quicker as well, it is up to you the consumer to decifer who has what and if it is worth spending the next 3-4 months of your life growing. But all of the varietys on the market that have legitimate status can be traced back to Nevilles G13 either here at Mr. Nice or the Seedbank. Everyone else is relying on hearsay evidence to support their claims of G13, and in my opinion a majority of those folks are out for your money, not offering you something that is of a legitimate nature.


The Sensi Seeds Mr. Nice G13xHashplant

The Mr. Nice G13xSkunk by Fet




The Mr. Nice G13xWidow




Somas G13xHaze Male

Some more information about the G13 from other sources:
Here is information that may help some of you out..

Nevil crossed the WW male to the original G13 clone years ago...I think this was done by the mid 90s.
Hope this helps.
Peace.

Greetings Shanti,

G13Widow...is

G13/Skunk#1 X South Indian Hybrid <Widow>

makeing it a 4 way hybrid...
as explained to me by the man himself...

This is NOT related to ANYthing currently available...Anywhere

Not G13 WW...not G13 BW ..if you need specifics...then ask the man himself,
because only Shanti knows all the details and the rest of us can only speculate.

Originally posted by shantibaba

Hi guys
There are currently 9 females and 7 males<G13Skunk#1> that are being combined and gone on with...a bit laborious but the only way when we are left with such a small sample.
Till then all the best Shantibaba

if you have nothing positive to offer...

Please keep it civil.

Thanks for the seed pic Kashgari...

cheers

Hi guys
Did not really miss the post....but was more interested to see what chat you sparked amongst yourself.Since there are a roller coaster of stories going about, re the G13.
Whatever the stories are that have entertained the punters till now probably all have a little truth mixed with myth.All with merit.
What I know in a nut shell is that the G13 plant was taken from the research facility some time ago and Nev managed to get it as a clone back to NL.There many things were tried without very much consistency, except with the skunk male to the G13.It was the only real crossing that gained results along a semi consistent line.That was quite some years back.Since then many people believe that buying the G13 released crosses and breeds perpetuated the story.However the story was for me all a little out of proportion.It usually is the product of many people dreaming of catching the big fish....
Up until 1 year ago I was not a G13 participant.I had seen it years back when it was all new and exciting but it did not do too much for me.No real flavour, strong sure but lacking on many other important sides.I recently learnt that the G13 lost alot of vigour at Sensi a long time back untill they eventually lost the original mother line.Nev gave me the only seed he felt was worth to go on with in this line (over 6 years ago) since he was retired from that world.It had been hanging above a fire place for more than 2 years prior.It was one of the last things that had had no time to look into due to other reasons.Kind of left on the shelf.The things that are being used for G13 combinants are all very removed and probably explains the pot luck kind of plants that turn up.But I have made some selections and with consultations and some old hand advice it looks we are back on track.There are currently 9 females and 7 males that are being combined and gone on with...a bit laborious but the only way when we are left with such a small sample.I will post some photos soon here to show you all what we are up to.Till then all the best Shantibaba

quote from Shantibaba at another site
Hi All
the G13 cutting was crossed to a skunk male in the early 90's when the G13 cutting seemed to be on its way out. Nev did several crosses to combine the genes before the plant became extinct in its pure female form. So I went on with several of these lines one is G13skunk(female) combined with the widow male(same widow used for the BW, MM ,La N and SS).
I hope that clears things up for you all.
Wishing you all a great and safe 2007...all the best SB

 

[JessE]

The original G13 Cut

 

[JessE]

Some interesting information found from around the net about G13 and its status amongst the marijuana community.

G-13
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G-13 is a strain of Cannabis that is the subject of many urban legends.

Fact: This strain (originally a single clone) was probably of Afghani origin, and provided a very potent smoke.

Fiction: According to one fanciful account, the CIA, FBI, and other agencies procured the best strains of marijuana from breeders all over the world. At an installation at the University of Mississippi, they bred many new hybrids. Putting these together, they created a strain that was more powerfully intoxicating than any of the original hybrids.

Fact: Although Cannabis researchers at "Ole Miss" assembled a world class Cannabis collection during the late 1960's and early 1970's, there is no evidence that these researchers were ever involved in breeding high quality marijuana.[1] The standard drug strain that is available to qualified researchers in the U.S.A. was originally from Mexico.

Fiction: Apocryphally, G-13 contains 28% THC by weight, about double the average percentage in most high-grade sinsemilla grown commercially. It has been claimed that some strains of marijuana grown in Amsterdam have met or surpassed this percentage, but accurate, verified results have not been produced.

Fact: Cannabis researchers identify G-13 as an Afghani "indica" (or 'Afghanica') cultivar, high in THC (though not as high as the 'apocryphal' estimate above).

Reports of THC/cannabinoid content exceeding 20% are invariably from sellers of Cannabis or Cannabis seeds, or from anti-Cannabis crusaders.

Reliable testing has placed the most potent examples of Cannabis plant matter ever tested at around 18% or 19% (based on Dutch government testing of medicinal grade Cannabis)

Unsubstantiated Rumors: Allegedly, a single cutting of this potent strain was "liberated" from the government facility in Mississippi [2]. Other rumors say G-13 was developed by the University of Washington's Cannabis testing facility for medical testing during the 1970s, but this too has not been verified.

In the early 90's, the name G-13 was said to have come from the number of [backcross] generations it took to produce an almost perfect plant - however, this view has absolutely no basis in reality.

The name G-13 is more likely to be derived from the term Government Marijuana, the 13 used as M is the thirteenth letter of the alphabet.

The most common story about the naming of G-13 is that it was stolen from 'grow-room 13' and simply retained its lab ID code.

Another fantasy-based rumour is that the name 'G-13' derives from the 'genotype' having been created to express 'the 13 most desirable qualities'. Again, this is just idle (and poorly thought out) rumour.

Some seed banks (which are very unlikely to have genetic material from the original clone) describe this strain as the highest THC content ever. Other seed banks that are known to have actually worked with the clone since the mid-Eighties describe it as one of the strongest "indicas" ever discovered.


[edit] G-13 in the Movies

G-13 x White Widow hybridThe G-13 strain was featured in the film American Beauty. In the film, a young dealer named Ricky Fitts (Wes Bentley) hands a bag of what looks to be about an eighth (1/8 of an ounce, commonly 3.5 grams) to Lester Burnham (Kevin Spacey) and says, "This shit is top of the line. It's called G-13. It's genetically engineered by the U.S. Government. It's extremely potent, but a completely mellow high. No paranoia." He then charges him $2,000. This line is responsible for a boost in the strain's popularity.


However, the actual dollar value of G-13 (non hybrid) ranges from $20.00-$25.00 for a single gram, equaling about $70.00-$88.00 for an eighth of an ounce.


[edit] The High
G13 gives a high unlike any other cannabis strain available. The onset is almost immediate, with noticeable effects occurring within the first five minutes. Most users who have never had the chance to indulge in this strain are awe-struck when they first experience it. While most cannabis strains will have a "peak," in which the high starts to wear off, this does not occur with G-13 (in a manner of speaking). Some people have described G-13 to be "an elevator that never reaches the top floor," meaning the high keeps going up, and up, and up and does not stop.

 

[JessE]

Other information surrounding the supposid history of the G13 variety.

Hi, all
I thought I could add some history to help back hempy's point.
The G-13 clone was discovered by a guy named Sandy Wienstien. A
founding member of Sacred Seeds, Breeder of Early Girl, He also
discovered the Bay Area Durban Poison clone (the same clone All dutch
DP is based on). During the mid
70's Sandy W and members of the Bay Area (SK#1) group were working in
cooperation on some of their afgans. A couple of the plants intro'd
early into
both programs brought a near fatal vunerabilty to grey mold. Both
programs had
to backtrack while new afgans were found to replace the culled
plants, as well as beginig an extensive tourure testing program for
the remaning stock.
Sandy had a group of friends, growers who lived in his area (S.Ark-N
Miss)
One of these friends was a grower, and first year botany student who
had,
by shear accident, landed a job working with Carlton Turner , who ran
the US gov. pot program @ U of Miss. Sandy's friends job? using the
early,rather primitive tests they had at the time to test Afganica
plants for THC level!
As Sandy's Early Girl program in the MW and the Skunk#1 people in
Cali were on
a desperate search for Afganicas. Sandy enlisted his friend to send
him anything
"interesting". Sandy's friend sent him 23 plants in all, and to
differetiate these from his regular Afgani stock, which he labeled
A1, A2 etc., Sandy designated his
"government" plants G1-23. None of these were used in any Sacred
Seeds breeding program. Sandy saved only a very few of these
G clones, among these was G-13. He was to busy and never had a chance
to do anything with it, so it stayed on the shelf. But he saved it
knowing it was a special plant, a "sport".
In its pure form it was apparently not very pleasant smoke, tasting
like lawn
clippings, soaked in a mixture of urine and feces (fecal flavors are
common in pure afganicas) with a lovelly aftertaste of burning tires.
The shear power could not be
denied however and that's what made the strain's rep. As I sayed,
G-13 was a breeders plant, (see MJ Botony p70) for a description of a
sport but basically it's
a plant that shows benificial mutations which can be passed down to
the next gen. In the case of G-13 it was a scraglly plant with lowish
yields, but it had the
desirable trait of massive resin production. So much so, that if you
let it go to long
it could supposedly choke itself. Some sativas can do this, what
Shanti calls the "Widow" sport is an example, but it's very rare in
an indica.
It was during Nevil's 83/84 collection trips to the US that he
aquired, from Sandy W the only G-13 cuttings to ever leave Sandy's
garden. Nevil returned to Holland
and made three crosses with G-13 @ the Seed Bank.
G-13x Haze (in catolog only 1 yr, discontinued, no extent P1's)
G-13x Hashplant (discontinued, currently Sensi Seeds: mr nice)
G-13x Skunk#1 (last and, according to Nevil, the best of the G
crosses.
Nev gave Shanti the last of this stock. Shanti, after
suffering alarmingly low germ rates initially from the
20 year old seeds, put them though a number of
breeding cycles and you all lucky bastarts are beta
testing the results.)
Sandy Wienstein passed away in 1987. If you have the '88 edition of
Mel's
Indoor Guide, then you have Mel's wonderfull euligy to his friend.
(Mel was
part of the upstate NY group, which was a sattelitte of Sandy's
midwest group.
Mel and Co. were not breeders but the ran beta grows for Sandy's
Early Girl
proj. Just look pic's captioned Durban poison x Afgani in upstate NY
from any
of mel's books.)
For those who don't have this vintage edition, just turn your copy of
Mel's
Deluxe MJ grow guide to the back cover. The guy in the red pendelton
shirt
and the long hair and shades, Thats Sandy. You owe him more than you
know

nom de fluer

 

[JessE]

More interesting information found throughout the net on this variety.

Hi all heres a little info for the archives i have saved infact i have lots saved .


So this post by pacific is all you need to piss the notion she / he had eny thing related to g13 read the quote ( GOVERNMENT DID NOT DEVELOP THESE PLANTS, THEY ARE ALL FROM DEA CONFISCATED LOTS.).

pacific
hi all,
sb, I too appreciate your honesty, but your're still under the wrong impression. THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT DEVELOP THESE PLANTS, THEY ARE ALL FROM DEA CONFISCATED LOTS. They are ALL tested and certain ones are kept (for exactly what reasons I don't know) and distributed in certain cases. Somehow I just can't get that through peoples heads.
I don't think aliens are involved or genetic engineering for that matter (except for maybe one particular plant)but that's not what we're talking about here. All the info is researchable if you put your mind to it. People want to believe in super-secret government projects, but it's all much more mundane than that. I do get these plants from a source that is certified by the dea, that's all I am going to say on the subject. You can believe me or not, it doesn't matter. Because again, it's not me that's important, it's the plant. I apologize to anyone to whom I have given the wrong impression.
Peace

Heres some other info i have saved infact i have lots saved this may help.

Vic High

sweetleaf, NCGA set the precidence. This means that it is up to the followup person to make sure their names avoid confusion. NCGA is the leader in this case, not the followup person. He was the first to offer a bluewidow (BW) and the first to offer G13 hybrids to the modern seed market. He was working with that G13 clone long before I was. He can name them as he pleases, IMO.

Good luck with your new releases NC I hope you are benefiting from the good weather as much as we are up here. Fingers crossed for a good fall season to follow


Vic High

where does he say that? I reread NC's posts and can't see any such suggestion. The first time I grew a G13 cross was when I grew NC's G13/Nl in the late 90s. And as I recall, it wasn't a Sensi or Neville knockoff, it was a cross between NL and airborne's G13 clone. Now, I could be wrong I guess, since I'm relying on memory rather than cut'n'paste notes. Maybe someone else can confirm the pedigree of NC's initial G13/Nl release.

Intresting dont you think first g13 hybreeds were late 90s ha vic mmm sounds like you didnt do your research lol.


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ncga

Genetic note
This strain has the origial Sag bluberry from 1999 the 98 Aloha WW and the G13nl f. I do have a redow Airborn G13Bw that will be a very limited offering. The original BW crossed with the Airborn G13 a devistating version . I bit less flavor than the 99

ncga


Our originals will be out as soon as we finish up on this never ending year. We will be releasing the original G13Bw ( which used Blazers G13nl) as well as an Updated one made with the Airborne G13.

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RD~







Phuck THIS.
To simplify:
Airborne's G clone comes from Neville's The Seed Bank G13 X NL2 f1..

....this pheno,"AG13" was G-dom,and it was kept.....
(....and KQ whups ass cuzza' it!)
NOT NOT NOT from G13/HP.
I grew vin.88 The Seed Bank G13/HP,
along w vin.88 Hash Plant.
vin 2001/2 G13/HP reissue as well.....
Not even close.
Not by a longf*cking shot.
The 'pacific' G,the one he/she/it (yeah,you heard me)
takes so much credit for,isn't even her work....it's Airborne's,and she got it,I believe,from the Nicest Guy on the Net,Vic High (aka Smart Guy!)
NCGA's got the same G,so do Dutch Flowers.
There's no quarrel to be had here-the lineage of this particular clone is TOO easy
to trace.
SOME people would be better served using a f*cking "SEARCH" feature rather than posing
questions that are banal in their repetition,
and already(sigh) answered.

Now you know ALL about the G......
Hope ya sleep better!


Cheers!

~RD~



FONT size="1">vic[/SIZE]will weigh in shortly,he's busy griping about me in the 'mod forum and can't be bothered,it seems
pacific's always been,well,unstable....and he/she/its (yeah,you heard me )claims always lead back to Airborne's clone.
She did a lot of backpedalling and evading,and turned out to be about as reliable as *** (edited by me,lol!)
So how ever the cookie crumbles we know one thing-it's a killer clone and it's being spread heavily-demystifying it.
It's about f'ing time,the Great G13 Debate is about as intriguing as foot rot.

~RD~



quote:
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By PS:
The Airborne G13 = G13 x NL was a speculation.
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Someone needs to read a lil' more,or talk to NCGA,perhaps.....

And "PS",why not post using your other nick?
It'd be more........tolerable......
You need a new sock puppet,lol!

~RD~

pacific/lady j/what's-his(it's) name get's (its') wardrobe from victoria's secret(mabye
vic high's secret,lmao!)
the 'g13'....well,thas' a dif story.......and pacific's is AG13.
(Airborne G13)

Simply put.

Cheerz!

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pacific


NCGA G13BW = Bluewidow male (sag blueberry x aloha ww) X (G13xNL)

pacific G13BW = Mr.Nice Blackwidow male X G13 clone

peace
apologies to nc if i don't have it quite right, but i think i do

pacific


tik- i was the first one to make the hybrid G13BW. i sold ten packs on cbay three years ago and gave a couple away. ncga is a good friend of mine and i've grown and smoked as many of his strains as anyone over the years. his G13Bw uses completely different genetics (please check my original post), it's just the lettering that is the same.
peace

Theres more lots more i have saved will go threw them and find others if needed but in short you can see its all bull shit .



Fact is nevile was the only person in the industry to offer g13 and in hybreeds as the plant was a clone.

All people need to do is research and should be researching any thing there intrested in trying.

 

[JessE]

This is said to be the Pacific G13, which would make it one of no less then 4 seperate varietys Pacific labeled G13.

And a picture of a said Airbourne G13.

Another Airborne


Vs The Pacific G13 in the same grow area

Notice distinct differences between the two varietys.

 

[JessE]

Some information reguarding the Louisiana G13, oddly pictures are now very scarce of this variety.

the "Louisiana G-13" is obviously a completely different strain from what Sensi, Bros Grim, and others in this community are discussing...you may be right about the "Louisiana G" being some variant of Big Bud, it has that overblown look.

(and if that Louisiana bud weighs seven ounces DRIED, i'm a little green man from one of Jupiter's lesser satellites ) "


Actually there was a thread here at overgrow that showed that the internet G-13 was not the original G-13 of the seed bank. The jury on the Louisiana G-13 is still out. Unfortunately that thread seems to have vanished. I just did a search for it here and absolutely nothing.

I dont know where you got that that Louisiana bud wieghted 7 ounces dried. RC said that it was 7 ounces wet and wieghed 9.5z. wet with another bud.

http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/m....shtml?15x28169

After alot of searching, I was actually able to come acrossed these rare photos of the LG13.

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This bud and another where said to total 9.5 ounces together from the LG13



More information about this rare LG13 variety can be found here:
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/thd15x28165.shtml

 

[JessE]

Some comparison photo's
The Airbourne G13



Vs G13xSkunk



Vs the LG13


Vs the MNS G13 Widow

 

[JessE]

Vs the Original Pacific cut


Vs the Sensi G13xhashplant


Vs The real deal original


Some more information readily available about the G13 hybrids:

Heritage: G13 x Skunk

Family of breed: Afghani/ Skunk x Skunk#1

Breeder: Nevil and Shantibaba's

Preferred medium: Bio and Hydro, Indoors and outdoors/greenhouse

Expected yield: indoors expect 500-650 g/m2 and as a greenhouse plant expect 500 g/plant, outdoors depends on climatic conditions…can have problems with mould.

Flowering period: Indoors it should be finished between 7-9 weeks depending upon the phenotype selected. North hemisphere it will be ready in September. In the southern hemisphere it will be ready by late March to April.

Recommendations: For the inexperienced growers to the most advanced cultivator.

Special Notes: A lot of stories and myths surround the G13 plant... worthy of anyone's garden and good for medical ailments.

Heritage: G13 x Widow

Family of breed: Afghan/skunk, South Indian, Brazilian

Breeder: Nevil and Shantibaba's

Preferred medium: Bio and Hydro, Indoors and outdoors/greenhouse

Expected yield: Indoor expect 350-450g/m2 and as an g/h or outdoor plant expect 400 g/plant

Flowering period: Expected flowering times range between 7 - 10 weeks depending upon the phenotype you select. North hemisphere end of September and in the southern hemisphere around early April.

Recommendations: For the inexperienced growers to the most advanced cultivator.

Special Notes: Two of the most written about strains since the 90's …a definite plant worth growing, but selection will be the key.

MR. NICE G13 X HASH PLANT® from Sensi Seeds description


According to weed folklore, the original G13 cutting was rescued from a government research facility by an unknown technician. The word of her liberation spread quickly amongst civilian cannabis-lovers - simply as an inspiring story, initially. However, as that single clone produced further cuttings, which became mother plants and eventually whole flowering crops, smokers were able to sample the earth-shaking Indica potency of the genuine article and G13 rapidly attained the status of living legend.

Creating seeds which captured G13's astounding qualities required a very special pollen-father, which was eventually found in Sensi's Hash Plant breeding program.

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Flowering: 60 days

Height: 100-130 cm

Yield: up to 100 gr

 

[Scorpion]

Hi JessE,
Nice thread,
when I run across a G13 related question,
I will just link it to this thread ,so whomever wants to know ,
will know ...

good job

peace

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just my opinion ,but the
LG13 is most certainly a G13WW...but thats just my opinion...

 

[RoastedO]

Whoa... I've read along as alot of that stuff unfolded.
So I gotta ask.. In conclusion???
I grew the G-13 Sk#1 found something decent but plan on looking again I still have 19 or so.
The info from Rez and nomdeflur (sp?) makes me suspect. nomdeflur had some really tall tales he told if my memory serves me well but I have nothing archived and Im a heavy stoner so things are hazy. I respect Rez because I have some of his gear and its legit but he has a very shady past with the G-13 too. Anyone remember the Merry Pranksters bus? lol...
For the record Jesse, your obsessed..
Great work keeping all this together.
All the best,
RO

 

[JessE]

The LG13 is an interesting variety obviously, Scorp said he believed it resembled the G13xWW and that could be a possibility. It is said that it resembles a variety called Kuma Cona, but I think it also resembles some haze hybrids out there.
This is another picture of the Lg13, its brackets and hairs are similar to some haze hybrids, but again this is all speculation.






But its all just speculation, cant be proven definitively one way or another.

As for nom de flur, some of the information he is quoted as saying was a revelation to me however I do not know if it amounted to tall tales are if what he has stated is fact. Ive never heard Shanti or Nev discredit nom de fluers words............but it does add to the overall body of knowledge of G13, even if he is the only cat Ive heard mention the things hes said. If Shanti could comment on NDF's story sometime that would be great, would be nice to see what he thinks about what NDF has to say about Sandy.

 

[redeye24/7]

Thanks JessE,

Great to see all the info in one thread,

I,m gonna look for a special lady(or ladies)to keep my M/H company,

The debate still continues to this day,

Will be interesting to see what does get posted up,

peace all.

 

[zephyr]

very interesting info jesse i have been looking into the g13 for some time now too and have seen so many socalled g13 strains its not funny here is the latest i have come across and check out the price .........

http://www.ganja.co.uk/cannabis-seeds/doggies-nuts-cannabis-seeds/g13.htm

would like your opinion on this if possible ......

 

[JessE]

Type Indoor/Outdoor
Flowering 7-8 weeks
Yield 325-1000 g/m2
Mainly Indica genetics allegedly originated from the US Government. As seen on TV and cinema alike. Medium height with large resin coated buds. A great yielding plant ideal for the commercial indoor grower. The high is mind blowing and lasts for hours, smoke too much and it's meditation time.
This was the infamous and now famous strain as it was originally intended uncrossed, stable and pure. Rated as being the most potent variety ever created with possibly the highest ever recorded levels of THC. Hold on to your boot straps as this catapults you into hyperspace.


Hey Zeph,
Thanks for taking the time to read this thread, I checked the link out and I would personally recommend not going for this variety. Its being touted as G13 #1 which to me, infers some kind of inbreeding with the original G13 clone which I would venture to say is a bogus claim, just more hype. There is no original cut of G13 available to the public or in private hands to my knowledge so what I would infer with this variety is that it is infact one of the hybrids available, or that one of the hybrids that has been made available in the past that was perhaps inbreed; although Im not so sure I would even believe that personally. By looking at the picture they provide of the variety, I would say thats not even close to G13 although Im not Shantibaba or Neville who have enough hands on experience with the variety to make that guestimate. Ive seen alot of G13 variety pictures and that definitely does not look like any G13 Im familiar with.

The choice is yours ofcourse, it could very well infact be a very strong variety but I doubt its validity as an inbreed G13 variety. It would be nice if they had listed exactly which G13 hybrid they used, if they even used a legitimate source in the first place.

If you are really looking to get ahold of a legitimate G13 hybrid, Shantibaba is your best bet. With enough seeds you will be able to find a dominate G13 phenotype to keep. I havent grown Shantis G13xwidow, I had the chance to grow it out a couple years ago but declined Shantis invitation because I wasnt in a position to grow it out due to circumstances in life. But I have grown the G13xSkunk from Shanti infact just received some more not long ago. It seems the educated guess on G13 is that its an Afghani, which would easily explain its powerful nature.

 

[Alaska]

Hey Jesse, we're gonna have to start calling you a G-man....er, wait, that nicknames kinda already taken, guess jesse will have to do, lol.

Seriously though, thanks for all the great work getting all that info in one locale. I will read it all when I am not high enough to remember it.

Have a good night

A

 

[JessE]

Mr.Nice G13xWidow(from the Mr.Nice gallery)

Mr.Nice G13xSkunk(from the Mr.Nice gallery)

And what I think is an interesting comparison:
G13xSkunk(from the Mr.Nice gallery)

And the LG13

 

[Niemand]

Type Indoor/Outdoor
Flowering 7-8 weeks
Yield 325-1000 g/m2
Mainly Indica genetics allegedly originated from the US Government. As seen on TV and cinema alike. Medium height with large resin coated buds. A great yielding plant ideal for the commercial indoor grower. The high is mind blowing and lasts for hours, smoke too much and it's meditation time.
This was the infamous and now famous strain as it was originally intended uncrossed, stable and pure. Rated as being the most potent variety ever created with possibly the highest ever recorded levels of THC. Hold on to your boot straps as this catapults you into hyperspace.


Hey Zeph,
Thanks for taking the time to read this thread, I checked the link out and I would personally recommend not going for this variety. Its being touted as G13 #1 which to me, infers some kind of inbreeding with the original G13 clone which I would venture to say is a bogus claim, just more hype. There is no original cut of G13 available to the public or in private hands to my knowledge so what I would infer with this variety is that it is infact one of the hybrids available, or that one of the hybrids that has been made available in the past that was perhaps inbreed; although Im not so sure I would even believe that personally. By looking at the picture they provide of the variety, I would say thats not even close to G13 although Im not Shantibaba or Neville who have enough hands on experience with the variety to make that guestimate. Ive seen alot of G13 variety pictures and that definitely does not look like any G13 Im familiar with.

The choice is yours ofcourse, it could very well infact be a very strong variety but I doubt its validity as an inbreed G13 variety. It would be nice if they had listed exactly which G13 hybrid they used, if they even used a legitimate source in the first place.

If you are really looking to get ahold of a legitimate G13 hybrid, Shantibaba is your best bet. With enough seeds you will be able to find a dominate G13 phenotype to keep. I havent grown Shantis G13xwidow, I had the chance to grow it out a couple years ago but declined Shantis invitation because I wasnt in a position to grow it out due to circumstances in life. But I have grown the G13xSkunk from Shanti infact just received some more not long ago. It seems the educated guess on G13 is that its an Afghani, which would easily explain its powerful nature.

I also have to agree with your reasoning REuke-a seeds G13 seeds BUT as THEY claim This was the infamous and now famous strain as it was originally intended uncrossed, stable and pure.

They have regular and feminized for a very reasonable Price Each: £245.00 Price Each: £445.00Fem'd!

They are obviously NOT exploiting the young or naive

But I do believe that their pic is NOT theirs, I seem to remember it from another site as a G13 pic..... BUT That does not mean that it IS a G13 pic!

Thanks SO MUCH for all the info in 1 place! Now... If you can find some info about the G13BX that "I believe" Nirvana Seeds did for Gypsy Nirvana.... I'd be complete..... Well..... Also Reef's G13 and his G13xHaze..... Last time I was in A'dam I smoked some of the G13xHaze and liked it a lot!

Again..... THANKS!!

 

[JessE]

Yeah I've been inbreeding plants from Gypsy's old G13 x G13 bx of the G13 cut he got from Oregon... The plants you've seen are from the inbreeding...

-Grat3fulh3ad
One of the more typical stories you will run into surrounding this variety. An unknown source donating a clone named G13, that could be anything.

The only information I have came from Gypsy in 2004. A cutting from the Pacific northwest was given to Gypsy, from which he commissioned Mau from nirvana to make a seedline. STS stories aside, It would not suprise me one bit if there was an initial outcross made before the backcross. Not pure G13 at any rate, since there is no such thing anymore, But it is a very potent Indica with a very nice cannabinoid profile. There are some exceptional plants to be found in those packs.

-Grat3fulh3ad

According to conversation that I had with DG in a thread that I started, Gypsy was involved as well. The BX seeds were made from and outcross to a male, I believe Gypsy thought it may have either been 8K or boiling brain used, then a male from that hybrid population was back crossed to the G13 clone.

This thread was on the old IC mag site, I don't know if it is still here.

-indicalover

A conversation that took place involving the G13 and its authenticity and availability.

Gn told me that Nirvana seeds made them for him and he wasn't involved. So maybe I should take my pacific humboldt pure g-13 and use one of the bx males to make it a little more pure g-13? Thanks for the info heads. Look forward to some of your pics.

-mark6699331

Pure G13? thought the original cut was no more... Neither the pacific nor the airbourne cuts are 'pure' g13...

-Grat3fulh3ad

1. Yes the g-pure cut is still "around." Especially in michigan where I used to live. I do currently have the pacific cut though which is diff. from the one i had in michigan.

2. If it was crossed with 8k or boilling brain and then the progeny bx to the orig. cut, it should be called "g-13 x boling brain bx g-13" not g-13 bx??

3. Congrats Heads for your Big Book of Buds entries. I just got a copy. Very Nice work!


I just sent a snail mail letter to my marine buddy who first gave me the "g" cut in 1988. Hopefully he still has it as I lost mine in Humboldt. If not him i know others back there that are still growing it. Shit most people where i'm from only grow the "g" and that's it. Just like how all the peeps in humboldt only grow the e-32 or wreck.

cheers,

mark

-mark6699331

1. According to Shantibaba, the original G13 clone has been dead for years. Neither the Pacific, nor the Airborn cuts are pure G13, and pure G13 no longer exist.

2. No, It should be called exactly what it is G13bx. You can't do a backcross without doing an outcross first.

Do a little more digging into G13 lore... I absolutely do not believe there is a pure cut left anywhere... and that's from people close to the original holders of the cut... Don't know exactly what you had in michigan, but it couldn't have been pure original G13....

There was alot of info on OG about G13 and her origins... shame to have lost all that...

-Grat3fulh3ad

Don't forget shanti got it from nevil and nevil got it from the usa. Just cause nevil and shanti don't have it anymore doesn't mean it hasn't survived in the us in peeps hands who remain low profile and don't even go on the net. I know for a fact it still exists in michigan. I got it from a guy who was invovled with the original gang where it came from. None of the g's in cali were like that original INMHO.
I'll post when and if my friend writes me back. He doesn't do email of phone. He's been growing since the mid-seventies and worked for the government at a high level. Nuff said. We all love the G outcrosses and yours look very nice as well.

cheers

mark

-mark6699331

Another typical story, where someone knows someone who has the rea G13 clone, and how Neville got it from the USA so its possible its been kept alive all of these years. Well, possible maybe......improbable definitely because there is no one to authenticate these claims with any kind of hard evidence. And if Neville or anyone else at Sensi Seeds couldnt keep the clone alive, why am I too suspect others with lesser experience and knowledge in cultivation could do what professionals could not? Its these kind of stories that really make me suspicious about the authenticity of such claims. This kind of debate has played itself out for years, with different members swearing they know where an original cut is and its definitely the real thing. But how do they know it? Ofcourse, relying on hearsay to authenticate any type of claim such as this is extremely common.
As a grower, I wouldnt want to spend 3 months on a mystery clone that is sopposidly variety X, only to end up with a mysterious plant thats origins rely on hearsay other then actual fact.

Some pictures of the G13bx

 

[JessE]

Some words about reefermans G13's.

There is Reeferman's G as well, although I believe they aren't currently in stock.

G13 Airborne x (G13 Airborne x Santa Marta Colombian Gold). From our Cup Winning Love Potion #1 line we isolated a G13 dominant male that was crossed back onto the G13 Airborne cutting. Produces typical G13 type buds well suited for indoor production in SOG. Low odor with good pest, mildew and mold resistance she is easy to grow. Great closet strain. Low stretch. Tastes like herbal resin with lightly sweet and subtle lemony flavors. Great bag appeal. Good all around indica meds.

Sativa/Indica: 20/80.

-Limeygreen

I might release mine towards the end of summer, It'll be a freebie givaway by gypsy if i do.. I have been studying a strain of g-13 and breeding with it for over two years.
It's actually a BX to the original sport.
And my donor was extremely happy to find out about my second sport mutation.
The mutation seems to breed true, I'll know more by years end.
I know i'm not the only one with this seedline, but I am one of the few to step forward with her...
I have 4 females, and yes the sports, and strain is touchy as heck indoor. It's the only strain I tend to lose plants from...out of over 50 i have grown..
I'll be calling mine "sierra G-13" more than likely....She loves it up here..
tiedye

-tiedye420
This is a quote from a user with once again, a typical story of a clone from a mysterious donor.

Scrappy2
Some years ago, mysterious seeds were inside the mailbox of my donor, with a california postmark on it.. The package contained seeds marked G-13.
He has bx'd This to the original Mom or "sport".
Now he is giving me a chance at her, because I believed in seeds of her since the early 80's. I knew there were seeds and they came to me eventually.
The product is virtually the same as what we bought in 1980 for 60 70 a quarter when skunk and humbolt were 45 and prevalent even in san diego...
I would always be asking when dudes brother in law was coming to visit from mississippi, where he worked for the university..
THis is not from him, but the same as what he had in 1980.
My pallatte remebers her....If this is a selected pheno it's damnn good work.
But I always heard there were seeds in the 70's. Seeds being held back and re-bred pure every few years or decade... Seeds to be given in the future.. The cuts were given freely in america at the time for those "in the know". The cuts were sent out
so every decade or so, whover was chosen to recieve a crack at the seeds would Know the pure from matching it to the cut.
The cuts were from a sport mutation and being an anomoly it was desireable to spread it in cut form... No seeds were guaranteed to produce a sport, so the seeds were stashed for posterity..
This is the truth I have gleaned from legend. This is the "best" you could find in so cal in the early 80's, by far.
I been growing her about 2 years or so..
My tolerance is hell, WE smoked a whole quarter round to half dollar round thai stick before school every day of ninth grade between 3 other people..
I know my bud...I was class of 80. so like from 1976 and 1977- about all i remeber is ronnie van zant died in a plane crash.
I knew back then id do this too, But could only dream of finding some seeds to the g-13 as they were held back and no-one admitted to having them.
It took a long time for me to pry any information out of the brother in law, but I got my story in the early 80's...
And i'm stickin to it.
tiedye

-tiedye420

So much for the credibility of the "Sierra G13" in my opinion. A mystery clone, from a mysterious donor who got the seeds from someone he didnt even know. Interesting.

Your lady looks just like our airborn G13 the wider leafed longer flowerer will be the pacific looks real nice RM

-Reeferman

So it looks like reeferman obtained an Airborn G13 cut, which is rumored to be a G13xNL pheno thats been around for years now, presumably originating from the hybrids Neville produced at the Seedbank. Ofcourse this cant be varified at all.