Family Tree of MNS strains

krok · Feb 20, 2011

Nevil said:
Hi Lemarcel
Your chart gives a great overview of the relationship between the various strains.
When it comes to planning individual matings, it is better to use split pedigrees, Male on top female on the bottom, reading from left to right. We got into this earlier (Grail Thread?) It's the only way to avoid confusion. The NH was used as an example. There is no AC male only 5AC, which is the NH.
It'd be great if you could help me with writing up pedigrees, I suck with computers.
N.

Nevil, you mentioned the pedigree database earlier. Please go ahead and make one.
If a database is made available to the public / customers, Mr.Nice seeds would get an even better reputation.
It will also educate the public, and people might start questioning why other seedbanks are holding back this vital information.
People might start to understand that strain-names don't matter.

Crowmax · Apr 24, 2011

awesome thread and great job lemarcel!

zzzzzzzz · Sep 13, 2011

amazing work

wow lemarcel

i admire greatly your work, dedication, input here...

so much in fact that i made a topic on GreenPassion.org - Dedicated to Medicinal Cannabis (where subcool lurks a lot and where i m a mod) with a link coming here so even more people can appreciate your work!!!

you even might have a lil add on by sub himself

so all in all u rock man!!!!

thank you so much for this great work for the community

HHHG · Oct 7, 2011

LA NINA

The lineage is Mullumbimby Madness Haze (female) x Black Widow (male). Shanti considers MullMad to be a haze, but I don't know if it is related to the Haze Brothers stuff.

SKeTChy · Dec 4, 2011

My head just blew up...

Mainly I'm commenting so I can A. Thank you for future non stoned read material.. B. So, I can find this thread again... after I'm not so medicated

HHHG · Jul 6, 2012

Le Marcel hasn't posted at MNS since Feb 2011 so I don't expect this chart will ever be corrected.

south african · Jan 24, 2013

family tree

im glad i can grow,cuz i couldnt make that chart to save my life,very inteligent,ill be glad to reference that thing! thanks, from sa

AhsocDT · Mar 1, 2013

Working on a remake...

Not updated yet

Barnflowers · Mar 1, 2013

Awesome! Thank you

Mr. Barnflowers

Barnflowers · Mar 1, 2013

Rock n roll series?

Not trying to be pushy

Mr Barnflowers

osamabinsmokin · Mar 2, 2013

AhsocDT said:

Working on a remake...

Not updated yet

GraphViz code:

Code:

digraph mnsfamily {
	rankdir=LR;
	size="12,12";
	overlap = false;
	graph [ 
		dpi = 90,
	];
	node [	
			shape = box,
			color = chartreuse2,
			style = filled,
	];
	"Afghan x Haze" [];
	"Afghan x Skunk" [];
	"Afghani Indica" [ color=gold ];
	"Big Bud" [ color=firebrick2 ];
	"Black Widow" [];
	"Brazilian Sativa" [ color=gold ];
	"Critical Mass" [];
	"Early Girl" [color=firebrick2];
	"Early Pearl x Skunk" [];
	"Early Pearl" [ color=firebrick2 ];
	"G13 x Skunk" [];
	"G13" [ color=firebrick2 ];
	"Hawaiian Indica" [ color=gold ];
	"Hawaiian Sativa" [ color=gold ];
	"Mango Haze" [];
	"Master Kush x Skunk" [];
	"Master Kush" [ color=firebrick2 ];
	"NL5 x Haze" [color=firebrick2];
	"Neville's Haze" [];
	"Northern Lights #5" [color=firebrick2];
	"Original Haze" [color=firebrick2];
	"Shit" [];
	"Skunk #1" [ color=firebrick2 ];
	"Skunk x Haze" [];
	"South Indian Sativa/Indica" [ color=gold ];

	"Afghan x Haze" -> "ASH";
	"Afghan x Haze" -> "Angel's Breathe";
	"Afghan x Haze" -> "Critical Haze";
	"Afghan x Haze" -> "Early Haze";
	"Afghan x Haze" -> "Master Kaze";
	"Afghan x Skunk" -> "Angel Heart";
	"Afghan x Skunk" -> "Neville's Skunk";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Afghan x Haze";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Afghan x Skunk";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Big Bud";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Devil";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "G13";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Master Kush";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Medicine Man";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Northern Lights #5";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Shit";
	"Afghani Indica" -> "Skunk #1";
	"Big Bud" -> "Critical Mass";
	"Black Widow" -> "G13 x Widow";
	"Black Widow" -> "La Niña";
	"Black Widow" -> "Mango x Widow";
	"Black Widow" -> "Medicine Man";
	"Black Widow" -> "Shark Shock";
	"Brazilian Sativa" -> "Black Widow";
	"Critical Mass" -> "Critical Haze";
	"Early Girl" -> "Early Queen";
	"Early Pearl x Skunk" -> "Early Skunk x Haze";
	"Early Pearl" -> "Early Pearl x Skunk";
	"Early Pearl" -> "Early Queen";
	"G13 x Skunk" -> "G13 x Widow";
	"G13" -> "G13 x Skunk";
	"Hawaiian Indica" -> "Spice";
	"Hawaiian Sativa" -> "Spice";
	"Mango Haze" -> "Mango x Widow";
	"Master Kush x Skunk" -> "Master Kaze";
	"Master Kush" -> "Master Kush x Skunk";
	"NL5 x Haze" -> "Mango Haze";
	"NL5 x Haze" -> "NHS";
	"NL5 x Haze" -> "Neville's Haze";
	"NL5 x Haze" -> "Super Silver Haze";
	"Neville's Haze" -> "Neville's Haze Mango";
	"Neville's Haze" -> "Neville's Skunk";
	"Northern Lights #5" -> "NL5 x Haze";
	"Original Haze" -> "Afghan x Haze";
	"Original Haze" -> "Early Skunk x Haze";
	"Original Haze" -> "La Niña";
	"Original Haze" -> "NL5 x Haze";
	"Original Haze" -> "Neville's Haze";
	"Original Haze" -> "Skunk x Haze";
	"Shit";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Afghan x Skunk";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Big Bud";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Critical Mass";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Early Pearl x Skunk";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Early Queen";
	"Skunk #1" -> "G13 x Skunk";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Master Kush x Skunk";
	"Skunk #1" -> "NHS";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Shark Shock";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Shit";
	"Skunk #1" -> "Skunk x Haze";
	"Skunk x Haze" -> "Mango Haze";
	"Skunk x Haze" -> "Super Silver Haze";
	"South Indian Sativa/Indica" -> "Black Widow";
}

better fix it then, shanti himself told us he didnt use haze in la nina

MJPassion · Mar 2, 2013

Obama...

Go read the strain description for La Nina again...

Specifically... look at "Family of breed"

osamabinsmokin · Mar 2, 2013

MJPassion said:
Obama...

Go read the strain description for La Nina again...
Specifically... look at "Family of breed"

why would i do that when SHANTI himself admited its wrong and needs to be changed

AhsocDT · Mar 2, 2013

I fixed some errors and changed the edge colors as in LeMarcel's graph. Also Applied this fix:

Is the La Nina chart ever going to be corrected?
The lineage is Mullumbimby Madness Haze (female) x Black Widow (male)

fixed: Devil (added Skunk #1 as male parent)
fixed: different colors for Old school genetics, new blends & retired strains
renamed: (Early Pearl x Skunk) => Early Skunk
renamed: (Afghan x Skunk) => NORDLE
added: Critical Skunk (Critical Mass x Skunk #1)?
added: Dreamtime (Skunk #1, Northern Lights, Afghan, Haze) -- unknown genealogy
added: G13Haze
added: NL5 x Afghan
added: NL5 x Skunk
added: Ortega
added: Walkabout (Thai, Skunk, Mexican, New Guinea, Haze)

Help needed:
What is the Haze parent of Pink Floyd, The Cure, The Doors, The Stones and U2?

AhsocDT · Mar 3, 2013

Joe King Park said:
I Wish These Family Trees Came In The Form Of A Poster To Stick Up On The Wall ( Has Anyone Done It ? Business Opportunity Maybe ?. I'd Buy One )
Joe

I could produce my tree in any resolution but it's got to be prettier and more accurate first

HHHG · Mar 3, 2013

AhsocDT said:
I fixed some errors and changed the edge colors as in LeMarcel's graph. Also Applied this fix:

fixed: Devil (added Skunk #1 as male parent)
fixed: different colors for Old school genetics, new blends & retired strains
renamed: (Early Pearl x Skunk) => Early Skunk
renamed: (Afghan x Skunk) => NORDLE
added: Critical Skunk (Critical Mass x Skunk #1)?
added: Dreamtime (Skunk #1, Northern Lights, Afghan, Haze) -- unknown genealogy
added: G13Haze
added: NL5 x Afghan
added: NL5 x Skunk
added: Ortega
added: Walkabout (Thai, Skunk, Mexican, New Guinea, Haze)

Help needed:
What is the Haze parent of Pink Floyd, The Cure, The Doors, The Stones and U2?

Nice chart. G13/Widow does not contain Skunk. It is simply G13 x Black Widow.

JessE · Mar 3, 2013

Hi all

Interesting discussion as always, great to see some positive direction from the membership. Well done my friends, by all means keep up the good work. Below are some quotes from Shanti on the G13widow line for those interested, though as Shanti states there are parallel lines of the variety.

Heritage: G13 x Widow
Category: The Naturals - Old school genetics
Family of breed: Afghan/skunk, South Indian, Brazilian

https://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=24

Originally posted by Shantibaba

Hi All
the G13 cutting was crossed to a skunk male in the early 90's when the G13 cutting seemed to be on its way out. Nev did several crosses to combine the genes before the plant became extinct in its pure female form. So I went on with several of these lines one is G13skunk(female) combined with the widow male(same widow used for the BW, MM ,La N and SS).
I hope that clears things up for you all.
Wishing you all a great and safe 2007...all the best SB

Originally posted by Shantibaba
Hi All

well it is always the start of a certain misinterpretation if I do not nip this bud as you all have valid ways of looking at the information stated, in my opinion.

Nevil worked for some years with the female clone G13 until it died.At this time he combined certain traits to gain original parent lines to preserve the G13 in a form that would express its genes. He passed me many years ago a seeds already to go on with...and before that I had passed on male pollen from the widow and the skunk#1 I was using...as we both did on several occasions.

When I got those seeds from Nevil they were labelled G13/sk. I therefore did a selection and combined the selected female to both males...skunk#1 and widow.But Nevil had also done a combination with the G13 to the widow pollen as well as the skunk #1pollen and in fact several others like G13/haze, G13 /ortega...and a few obscure others. The work I did was interbreeding then combining the 3 generation interbreed with the orignal male again...thus adding the strain description with the extra male label.During the interbreebing stages the main criterion was to select for G13 traits and not the Skunk, but considering all of you prefer to be definite as far as possible with the origins I liked to explain all the possible influences that the breed could express in F1 form.

Since this is not so simple to explain as breeding sometimes is it was simplified to the current description. Let me add I still have those old seeds of Nev as well as several lines of interbred seed at different stages so everything in my work can be replicated.As for the work from Nev, it cannot be replicated as there is no longer the pure G13 female. Hope that clears up as much as possible the ancestry of this question.All the best Sb

For those interested in more:

https://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=23

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/24807-post162.html

Music Buzz · Mar 3, 2013

Nice work AhsocDT. I've been staring at this chart for the last half hour. It makes selecting a hybrid much easier. Thank you.

AhsocDT · Mar 4, 2013

HHHG: Thank you!

JessE: Very interesting. Then I'll leave the G13Skunk in the chart.

Music Buzz said:
Nice work AhsocDT. I've been staring at this chart for the last half hour. It makes selecting a hybrid much easier. Thank you.

Any suggestions are welcome, both visual and technical.
I'd be willing to make a poster if anyone has a good idea how to improve the looks.

AhsocDT · Mar 4, 2013

HHHG: Thank you!

JessE: Very interesting. Then I'll leave the G13Skunk in the chart. Does it mean that the current G13Haze is an offspring of G13Skunk instead of G13?

Music Buzz said:
Nice work AhsocDT. I've been staring at this chart for the last half hour. It makes selecting a hybrid much easier. Thank you.

Any suggestions are welcome, both visual and technical.
I'd be willing to make a poster if anyone has a good idea how to improve the looks.

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