Excerpt from article on reversing males - clarification required

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Quote below is from the following page https://terpenesandtesting.com/reverse-the-sex-of-cannabis-plants/ and the subsection refers to the use of Ethephon as opposed to CS, GA, STS

"The plant growth regulator ethephon is also of interest for cannabis breeders. In the research paper “Effect of Timing of Ethephon Treatment on the Formation of Female Flowers and Seeds from Male Plant of Hemp (Cannabis sativa L.),” ethephon was utilized to develop a self-fertilization method by forming female flowers (and seeds) from male plants of dioecious hemp. The researchers sprayed plants with 500 mg per liter of ethephon one to two weeks after primordia formation. [4] This resulted in the formation of female flowers with five stigmas (versus the normal two) on male plants. The resulting seeds tended to be smaller and have a lower germination ratio than regular female plants, however the number of seeds harvested was greater than normal. The research team recommends that hemp plants should be treated with ethephon soon after primordia formation to induce the formation of more female flowers on the male plants."

I wanted to confirm two things if anyone can help.

1). Does this mean the males they reversed weren't true breeding males? They don't reference the sample size in the study so may have to try and find the original research article if not behind a paywall.

2) In the same way that a selfed female produces feminised seeds, would this produce masculinated seeds?
 
Found the article available for download here, some light reading for later :)

Effect of Timing of Ethephon Treatment on the Formation of Female Flowers and Seeds from Male Plant of Hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) -Korean Journal of Plant Resources | Korea Science

Hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) is a dioecious plant, although monoecious plants are bred in some cultivars for fiber or seed production. Recently, hemp has received attention for medicinal use with some cannabinoids, including cannabidiol. Self-fertilization for breeding inbred lines is difficult...
koreascience.or.kr koreascience.or.kr
 
DonaldNice said:
Quote below is from the following page https://terpenesandtesting.com/reverse-the-sex-of-cannabis-plants/ and the subsection refers to the use of Ethephon as opposed to CS, GA, STS

"The plant growth regulator ethephon is also of interest for cannabis breeders. In the research paper “Effect of Timing of Ethephon Treatment on the Formation of Female Flowers and Seeds from Male Plant of Hemp (Cannabis sativa L.),” ethephon was utilized to develop a self-fertilization method by forming female flowers (and seeds) from male plants of dioecious hemp. The researchers sprayed plants with 500 mg per liter of ethephon one to two weeks after primordia formation. [4] This resulted in the formation of female flowers with five stigmas (versus the normal two) on male plants. The resulting seeds tended to be smaller and have a lower germination ratio than regular female plants, however the number of seeds harvested was greater than normal. The research team recommends that hemp plants should be treated with ethephon soon after primordia formation to induce the formation of more female flowers on the male plants."

I wanted to confirm two things if anyone can help.

1). Does this mean the males they reversed weren't true breeding males? They don't reference the sample size in the study so may have to try and find the original research article if not behind a paywall.

2) In the same way that a selfed female produces feminised seeds, would this produce masculinated seeds?
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You wil get normal reglar seed. A small amount wont germinate those most likley are the yy. Thats why in the paper you put up he most likley has a lower germination rate, he just hasnt clicked on to why.
 
ethephon was/ is used to reverse males, while the ga cs sts is used to reverse females.
Its chemically induced, does not mean the plants used were "true breeding" or not, depends what you mean by the term.
The " theorized" "masculinized seeds" are likely not viable as previously stated, leading to decreased germination.
With the remaining viable seed, you will have 1:2 ratio of females:males
 
Throwback said:
ethephon was/ is used to reverse males, while the ga cs sts is used to reverse females.
Its chemically induced, does not mean the plants used were "true breeding" or not, depends what you mean by the term.
The " theorized" "masculinized seeds" are likely not viable as previously stated, leading to decreased germination.
With the remaining viable seed, you will have 1:2 ratio of females:males
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Thanks for the reply, my understanding which is based on an interview Shanti gave is that males can be reversed with GA etc too, the paper above just used etherphon. In the same interview Shanti stated that he and Neville used GA way back in the day to determine if the male was true breeding, in his words a true breeding male would produce non viable seeds.

I'll try and dig out the interview and timestamp it or maybe the man himself will drop in at some point :)
 
why not just stress it

put it in bloom and do some light time mismatches with stress by cutting the central head in flowering

if "he" not turn tranny is a real male
 
For me your method has nothing scientific but in any case it does not make sense because other members have already told you that in Adam there is Eve there is no y without x so you will only ever have males

whereas with my method it allows to determine if a male is reliable
 
quinxstar said:
For me your method has nothing scientific but in any case it does not make sense because other members have already told you that in Adam there is Eve there is no y without x so you will only ever have males

whereas with my method it allows to determine if a male is reliable
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Each to their own eh, bonne journee mon pote
 
quinxstar said:
For me your method has nothing scientific but in any case it does not make sense because other members have already told you that in Adam there is Eve there is no y without x so you will only ever have males

whereas with my method it allows to determine if a male is reliable
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Tell me you think you are better than Scott without saying I'm better than Scott.......

You talk of science yet don't know the difference between a hermaphrodite and a transexual, I suggest you get back under the bridge troll
 
DonaldNice said:
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You talk of science yet don't know the difference between they and them.
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FIFY

It's essential to use the pronouns that a transgender plant has chosen to identify with, rather than assuming or using pronouns based on their assigned sex at birth. Using the correct pronouns demonstrates respect and validates a plant's identity.
 
@musashi Is this acceptable and standard behaviour around here? I was brought up on simple manners, you don't answer a questipn with a question, you answer the questipn asked not the question you know the answer to, if there is more than one way to skin a cat yuou don't tell the person using method b they are wrong just because you like method a, you keep your narrow minded homophobia to yourself, that kind of thing.....

If @shantibaba wants a bunch of backwards ingrates chasing his customers away then this site is awesome.

If he wanted somewhere were people would share information and help each other, he needs to stamp out this cliquey behaviour.

I put quinxster on ignore but seems homophobia is rife, either that or a lot of so called experts on here know not the correct scientific terminology.
 
Both parties need to remain respectful. The need to be right often devolves into name calling and bad feelings between family members. If their is pushback, we always have a choice of not responding as there is no shame in walking away from a fight. Again, I ask both sides to be respectful. Om shanti.

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I actually accept that both techniques have their time and place, I have a preference as stated but did not go to the extreme to say because someones preference does not align with mine they are wrong. I also did not make assumptions about what somebody knows, do you think I'd be asking about chemically reversing males but be blissfully unaware of the effects of stress? I see how someone could be the other way around as demonstrated here.

Anyhow as mentioned I put them on ignore yesterday, just wanted to check if this was acceptable behaviour, seems it is, so I will end my interactions here and probably give away my recently won auction items. I cannot and will not support and condone this kind of shit. That you think it is acceptable in this day and age is a sad reflection.
 
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